top for keyword keyword, nowhere for keyword, help!

what's going wrong with my seo?

[dannyocean]

hi,

I have followed loads of advice here over the past few months and now have a site with PR6 and loads of inlinks, and have good, even occasionally perfect google ranking for various keyword keyword combinations.

But,

when it comes to just keyword, google thinks I don't exist. yet it picks up the keyword all over the site when it's looking for keyword keyword - if that makes sense.

I thought as my PR went up I would move up the ranks, but , no! So the question-

any idea what part of seo I should concentrate on? I'm open to any suggestions as to what I'm doing wrong/not doing/need to do.

Thanks
DannyO

[trillianjedi]

I thought as my PR went up I would move up the ranks, but , no!

LOL. If only it were that easy.

Examine the sites that are in the top 10 for "keyword" (especially page titles). Then examine the anchor text in their backlinks.

TJ

[dannyocean]

thanks for the reply.

alot of the top sites just seem to have internal links and DMOZ at the end.

did you mean the text that would be clicked on to link to my site? often that is my url, which has the keyword in it.

would it be anything to do with the elusive dmoz listing? should I add lots of internal links?

thanks
jp

[jim_w]

>>top for keyword keyword, nowhere for keyword<<

Consider yourself lucky. There are many, and who knows how many, that are lost for keyword keyword as well as just keyword.

[SirFroggZ]

Souds like my plight!

[trillianjedi]

Nothing to do with dmoz which is just a link like any other.

Internal links help. Yes, anchor text is the link text. You need a few more, but keep it natural - a lot of SEO "link-hunters" got caught out by google last update.

TJ

[sachac]

Danny,

"did you mean the text that would be clicked on to link to my site? often that is my url, which has the keyword in it."

This could be your problem. Remember, most single keywords are far more competitive that multiple keywords, so you really have to have the right linking structure in your anchor text.

If your link from other sites is your url that conatins your keyword, chances are that Google can't read the keyword. For instance if your url is www.kriswidgets, Google won't be able to parse the keyword. If however, it is www.kris-widgets, then Google will read it. I distinctly remember Google Guy saying that he is a big fan of hyphenated domains and I guess this is the reason why.

If you have a hyphenated domain then your problem lies elsewhere. Assuming that you do not have a hyphenated domain, for your new links, make sure that the anchor text is "Kris Widgets". If this is the case, you may also request that your link partners change their link information.

Hope this helps.

[Sunset_Jim]

I have a similar problem. My travel destination site is optimized for a 3-keyword city name followed by 3 keywords: hotels, motels and condos. My incoming external links have these 6 keywords in thir anchor text. Before Florida my site would come up in the top 5 SERPS when a search was made using the 3-keyword city name followed by only one of the other keywords. Now it takes all 6 keywords (City name plus hotels, motels, and condos) for my site to be found. The problem is no one uses all 6 keywords in a search. I am thinking about removing the keywords: hotels, motels, and condos from my index page title and header. The only other thing I could do is have all my external incoming anchor text changed so that only one of the keyword is included in the anchor text and have 1/3 of the links use hotels, 1/3 use motels and 1/3 use condos. There must be a better way.

[m2c1r]

I am the opposite- sort of: disapeared for kw1 kw2 kw3 (the most relevant and spot on search) but still #4 for kw1 kw2.

I have analyzed the only competitor who survived florida, but why he stayed and the rest of us got dropped just doesn't make any sense to me... lucky ***.

[edited by: eelixduppy at 9:31 pm (utc) on Feb. 18, 2009]

[Stefan]

dannyocean, are you getting good traffic coming in on other pertinent kw combinations? One productive hit per day on each of fifty different kw combos is better than 50 hits on one single kw. If that one SEO'ed kw search goes down the tubes, you're going down with it.

If people are finding the site on a lot of different searches, so much the better.

<edit>For clarity</edit>

[Sunset_Jim]

I think if we can hang in long enough either Google will change and we will regain a better position, or we will learn how to change our sites for the better. I still have some competitor sites that are optimized the same as mine and are still no. 1 and 2 wheras my site is not listed in the SERPS. It is a puzzle to me why the difference.

[Kirby]

>a lot of SEO "link-hunters" got caught out by google last update.

I wish this was the case. I see way to many heavily crosslinked sites doing very well. I dont see google's algo picking this up.

[wanna_learn]

Kirby,
I agree with you
But this time Google is KW spcific... so not necessarily haevy interlinking with same Anchor (Keyword), would be caught.
the catch should be "whats the Keyword"?