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Changing content to keep Google's interest

         

Pedent

12:14 pm on Oct 10, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Correct me if I'm wrong, but...

In order to keep Google looking at your pages regularly it seems that you need two things: Decent PR and fresh content.

I read comments from some people about changing existing content for no other reason than to make Google think it's fresh, topical stuff. (Someone even suggested having two versions of your home page and alternating between them).

My questions: (1) Does this work? and (2) How much do you need to change in order for this to work?

E.g. Would changing your opening line from "If you want to buy widgets, then WidgetWorld is the place for you" to "If Widgets is what you want, then you've found the right place in WidgetWorld", and leaving everything else on the page the same, be enough to make Google think "Fresh content; better check back here for developments soon"?

Thanks,

Pedent.

too much information

12:48 pm on Oct 10, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I've heard that too, and I'm curious if it has worked for anyone.

I am currently developing 2 sites which will have rotating content on the pages. One has some content that will change automatically each month, and the other will rotate promotional wording for deeper pages (informative articles) each week.

I wasn't worried about search engines when I started working on these sites. I have one site that hasn't had a visit in almost a month and it is still holding a strong position in every keyword.

I'm not convenced that frequent visits by robots really means better rankings. I am interested though to see what anyone else has seen if they don't mind sharing.

tacoX

7:05 am on Oct 12, 2003 (gmt 0)

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What exactly is PR anyways...?

seofreak

9:37 am on Oct 12, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Pedent: that's right .. regular changes in text and the title adjustment (a bit) works.

Macro

9:50 am on Oct 12, 2003 (gmt 0)

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PR=Page Rank. Download Google's toolbar at [toolbar.google.com...]

Some would take that as a tongue-in-cheek comment/question as there is a school of thought that believes PR doesn't matter very much. I personally wouldn't mind a PR of 10 :-)

And welcome to webmasterworld tacoX.

On the fresh content issue - I would be interested in knowing how much of a change is required. You obviously don't want to mess with a title, desc, heading, content and kw density combination that works. What about if you have a "site last updated on xxx" and just keep updating the date?

Jakpot

9:50 am on Oct 12, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Sometime changes have a negative impact on SERP position.

storevalley

10:01 am on Oct 12, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I'm not convenced that frequent visits by robots really means better rankings. I am interested though to see what anyone else has seen if they don't mind sharing

Spot on. An irrelevant site will always be irrelevant, regardless of the number of times it is spidered ;)

Frequent robot visits do give you better opportunities to experiment though ...

Tropical Island

10:42 am on Oct 12, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Be careful about changing content at the top of the page as this is where G normally gets it's anchor text from.

Why not do something related to the weather or something that has a date or other info in it that you manually change each morning. The bot will see that the page has changes - that's all that is necessary.

Works for us.

claus

11:32 am on Oct 12, 2003 (gmt 0)

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>> I'm not convenced that frequent visits by robots really means better rankings

I'm close-to-convinced that fresh does not help rankings, see: Fresh tag - what is it good for? [webmasterworld.com]

>> (1) Does this work?

Yes, changing content makes the bot increase spidering frequency. It's economics - if sites don't change often, don't spider often. Another way to get new content indexed seems to be using Googles "Site Search" box [webmasterworld.com]

>> (2) How much do you need to change in order for this to work?

Not a lot: Dynamic content and the fresh listing [webmasterworld.com]

>> I am interested though to see what anyone else has seen if they don't mind sharing.

As stated above: Spidering does not equal ranking. So the only reason why you would do it is to get new content indexed. If there's no new content, a fresh tag seems to do nothing for you.

The best way to use this fact, imho, would be to feature (links to) your new content on the front page or a dedicated "what's new" page.

/claus


Welcome to WebmasterWorld tacoX :)

Pedent

1:10 pm on Oct 12, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Thanks Claus, and everyone else. Very helpful, particularly the comment in the linked thread about Google detecting fresh content by checking the last modified date rather than by comparing current content to its cache.

storevalley

1:51 pm on Oct 12, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Great post claus ... there's some interesting reading in those threads :)

Lightfoot

2:05 pm on Oct 12, 2003 (gmt 0)

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FreshBot behaviour is extremely interesting. A 'new' site just ousted mine from top position - it is definitely a fresh. Its PR is low and there are very few incoming links. What has happened is that this established but poorly ranking site has appended some proper online ordering pages, Google has picked it up, and given it a real boost. But I expect it to disappear again a few days(I hope!)

It makes sense to do this for new sites - if they're excellent sites it gives them a short period in the limelight to pick up interest and incoming links if deserved.

But it doesn't look like this boosting of fresh sites can be achieved by simply tinkering with established pages - they really need to be 'fresh.'

By the way, if I want GoogleBot to crawl new content on my site, I tinker slightly with the sites that link to it.

seofreak

3:08 pm on Oct 12, 2003 (gmt 0)

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On the fresh content issue - I would be interested in knowing how much of a change is required. You obviously don't want to mess with a title, desc, heading, content and kw density combination that works. What about if you have a "site last updated on xxx" and just keep updating the date?

i experimented for 2 months .. google cameby daily and i used to get freshbot results everyday. from that i learnt how and what google needs to be bring me on top for my keywords and have settled now :)

jbinbpt

3:54 pm on Oct 12, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I don't believe that you should leave content alone for a long time, especially you index page. It is a good exercise to revisit if to check on it's relevancy.
Reread it; see if it still makes sense. How many times have we written something, and when we read it later, we cannot believe we uploaded it.
If you are happy with it and happy with your PR then leave it alone. If not massage the message and repost it. You then get the best of both; New and relevant content and a fresh date.
jb
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LogicMan

4:07 pm on Oct 12, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I do not believe changing regularly has any effect.

I have a PR6 page that changes at least every 2 days (sometimes daily) and as of now the cache is over 30 days old.

Title and description tag may or may not change but near the top of the page is date that would always change (hard coded so source changes) and the remainder of page has additions and deletions.

ogletree

4:28 pm on Oct 12, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Changeing the date is not enough. I have the date and time on mine and I don't get a lot of spider hits. I have another site with a PR7 and dates back to 1995 and it gets every page spidered every day and I never make any changes on it.

seofreak

5:08 pm on Oct 12, 2003 (gmt 0)

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title plays a big part. changed text can be of any length but change in title is the first indication and is important as far as i have seen.