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Apple Soundtrack software # for "google glossary"

too strange not to mention

         

Slud

9:44 pm on Sep 11, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Anyone have any ideas why www.apple.com/soundtrack/ would be the #1 result in a search for "google glossary".

It didn't stop me from finding what I was looking for of course, but it's probably one of the most non-sequitur results I've seen.

ciml

12:45 pm on Sep 12, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Good find Slud. Comes up for allintitle:google glossary as well, so something's odd.

ytswy

1:09 pm on Sep 12, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Shows up as number 5 for just "glossary".

do allinurl:glossary and it comes up number 4..

somethings broken :)

Yidaki

1:12 pm on Sep 12, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Better than amazon though, hehehehehe ...

Google cache says:

These terms only appear in links pointing to this page: google glossary

OK, i gonna remove the link to apple soundtrack from my pages - if you think that the anchor is that misleading. ;)

Brett_Tabke

1:19 pm on Sep 12, 2003 (gmt 0)

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First, the apple page in question is a PR9. That alone makes it kick the butt of anyone else on the page.

Two, I get a feeling this is a really a spam report.

Third, the keyword is "glossary". It is a non descrip defused wide open keyword that has little commercial value. Like similar words, it is a "Gray" area keyword where results are often head scratchers.

I think it is a very appropriate result. Think like a machine.

Slud

2:01 pm on Sep 12, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I agree that it's best to "think like a machine" when interpretting results, but it is a very odd result given a search for "GOOGLE glossary".

I did file a "Dissatisfied with your search results?" report, but I thought this result was such a one-off that it might help the google-fans an interesting "exception that proves the rule" type example.

Awhile ago Google was #1 for "appliance" (instead of Maytag, for example) when it advertised the Google Search Appliance on its front page (PR10 obviously).

Though there may be sound algorithmic reasons that result is there. I don't think it has much staying power.

dougmcc1

2:22 pm on Sep 12, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Think like a machine

That's besides the point, IMO. The point is that the apple page is a skewed result. Sure, maybe we can't blame the machine for thinking that the page belongs in that position for that keyword, but we can blame Google for making the machine think it does.

Brett_Tabke

5:36 pm on Sep 12, 2003 (gmt 0)

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>The point is that the apple page is a skewed result.

No it didn't - it belonged right there under the Google ranking system. It is proof that the concept of page rank works.

Glossary is a nondescript word. It's like some of the adjetives and adverbs that people try NOT to get ranked under.

How about the word "red". What do you think should be listed under the word red? Or the word "bright"? Althought Glossary is a known, it is a generic noun and has no real definitive category that a machine can point-blank put it in.

What all this points out, is that there are people out there running "glossary" sites, that are doing a mediocure job of seo and promotion.

Slud

6:19 pm on Sep 12, 2003 (gmt 0)

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To clarify I'm not just talking about "glossary". I'm talking about a search for "google glossary".

Heck, you can even put it in quotes:
[google.com ]

Yidaki

6:22 pm on Sep 12, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Brett, i'm surprised about your statement. Wouldn't this mean that Glossary is somehow a stopword?

A thesaurus [thesaurus.reference.com] gives the following synonyms of the word Glossary:

- annotation (synonyms: comment, commentary, definition, elucidation, exegesis, explanation, explication, footnote, gloss, glossary, illustration, interpretation, note, observation)
- dictionary (synonyms: concordance, cyclopedia, encyclopedia, glossary, language, lexicon, palaver, promptory, reference, terminology, vocabulary, wordbook)
- lexicon (synonyms: dictionary, glossary, terminology, thesaurus, vocabulary, word stock, wordbook, wordlist)
- nomenclature (synonyms: classification, codification, glossary, locution, phraseology, taxonomy, terminology)
- vocabulary (synonyms: cant, dictionary, glossary, jargon, lexicon, palaver, phraseology, terminology, thesaurus, word-hoard, word-stock, wordbook, words)

I second your statement that if you search for redundant words (stopwords like the famous http or the) you'll only get a pr scrored list of high pr pages. But Glossary is a real world word - no matter if it's of any commercial value or not. It's a word and imho a very usefull word if used with a additional "theme indicator words" - like Widgets Glossary or Veggies Glossary or even Google Glossary.

If i want to find the meaning of a special word i either use a dictionary of if it's a realy specialized word, i use a appropriate Glossary. If i search for Google's Glossary, i wouldn't expect Apple's Soundtrack page (allthough i appreciate seeing apple at #1 whenever it's possible;). Or do you see it just as a proof that there's no good seo'd Google Glossary out there?

I don't blame on google nor on apple but the results for Google Glossary are at least weird.

And you conspiracy guys out there: nope, google doesn't have a deal with apple! I'm sure they don't! I wish they would have ... ;)

dougmcc1

10:26 pm on Sep 12, 2003 (gmt 0)

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[labs.google.com...] - PR4
[apple.com...] - PR9

So there is a difference of 5 PR. Why does that make [apple.com...] an appropriate result for "google glossary"? Even to a machine.

My point is, yeah something has to come up for "google glossary" even if those better results didn't exist. But better results do exist, so why does [apple.com...] deserve to be among them? Google programmed the machine to put it there so you can't blame or not blame the machine. The machine is irrelevent.

hitchhiker

11:06 pm on Sep 12, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Anyway, isn't the whole point of G based around users not needing to "think like a machine"!

Lol: Funny serp

ogletree

11:38 pm on Sep 12, 2003 (gmt 0)

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It just proves a point that I have been making for a while. Google is only good for 3 or more words unless SEO's are involved. I am trying to get to the top for a phrase that not very many people are going for but the 3rd 5th and 6th result have nothing to do with the phrase and only have the fist word of the phrase. They are there because of high PR. The phrase is not real high traffic but it is worth millions to me. I know i am trying to get to the top and I know of at least 3 other SEO guys that are trying as well. Of course they used to be close but got dropped becasue of SPAMMY sites. I went from 76 to 10 and plan on being up there soon.

PR is a good measure but Google should be careful with the really high PR sites they can really screw things up. I think if you are a PR7 or higher Google should not show you above people with all the keywords in their title that were typed in. A site with blue widgets in it's title should be higher than a site with the words blue hair in it's title if blue widgets is typed in. It just make Google look stupid to do otherwise. Why do they think that is good it is never good. PR and anchor text should not always be king. I just think titles should get a little more weight in that situation.

Net_Wizard

12:41 am on Sep 13, 2003 (gmt 0)



Talking of screw...

Try this -> site:apple.com google glossary

What's Google URL doing at apple site? ;)

Mikhail At Home

1:10 am on Sep 13, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I just did the search for site:apple.com google glossary

As of 7:57 CST the results depend on the google server:

www-ab(51) and www-va(37) show only apple.com pages while
www-ex(33) and www-cw(57) show both google.com and apple.

Coincidentally cached copy of CNN page shows
Sept 9 date on www-ex and www-cw and
Sept 11 on www-ab and www-va

Apparently, they switch fresh crawl results around this
time of the day and it takes time before the dust settles
down.

Mikhail

Mikhail At Home

12:47 am on Sep 14, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Even stranger results today 7:30 CT: the #1 for
"www" is [usatoday.com...] which is
linked as "Terms of Service" from about ~23,000 pages on their site.

Then it followed by www.google.com/help/refinesearch.html

And www.google.com gets 3rd place with 380,000 backlinks.

Added:

I just did search for "yahoo" and same UsaToday legal page shows up on the third place. It is either PageRank got intelligence on its own and figured out that soon we all will live by UsaToday legal terms or there is a serious bug in the way fresh crawl results are integrated in the main index.

Mikhail At Home

4:11 am on Sep 14, 2003 (gmt 0)

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This is the latest, and I guess, last update. (10:55 CT)

If you run Google Dance Tool for "site:yahoo.com yahoo" you will see USA Today legal link on top of the list for 6 datacenters and correct results for the 4 datacenters.

Those 4 datacenters have already updated results for the fresh crawl while the remaining 6 still show caches from the day before.

Apparently evening is a bad time to search on google as it, probably, updates first part of the database that handles one aspect of the searches (site: link: large searches like "www" or "yahoo"?) and only after that updates its datacenters one by one with 15-30 minutes intervals. Between those two events search results may range from incomplete and skewed to simply wrong.

Moral: Don't trust Google in the evenings!
It gets tired serving your queries all day long!

Dave_Hawley

4:16 am on Sep 14, 2003 (gmt 0)



Very interesting result indeed.

First, the apple page in question is a PR9. That alone makes it kick the butt of anyone else on the page.

Perhaps you should have also checked the PR of the "Google Glossary" page before posting that statement!


Two, I get a feeling this is a really a spam report.

Huh?

Third, the keyword is "glossary". It is a non descrip defused wide open keyword that has little commercial value. Like similar words, it is a "Gray" area keyword where results are often head scratchers.

The search wasn't "glossary" is was "Google Glossary" BIG difference. Besides this, the word "Glossary" is not anywhere on the #1 result.

I think it is a very appropriate result. Think like a machine.

LOL! I don't think Google spends millions on search technology so they can tell humans to "Think like a machine.".

Come on Brett, stop sucking up to Google :o)

Dave