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Google links my internal page; can I force the hits to my entrance?

         

HQ Webmaster

11:28 pm on Jul 14, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Google links to my internal page; can I force the hits to my entrance page? I know how to do this, but is this legal?

(I cannot / will not post the link to the site in question.)

Marcia

2:36 am on Jul 15, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Are your inbound links going to your homepage or an interior page? If you have crawlable links there's no reason why the whole site shouldn't be accessible to Google.

Is it only one page in there, or is the interior page ranking and the homepage isn't?

Krapulator

2:53 am on Jul 15, 2003 (gmt 0)

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You can use robots.txt to prevent Google indexing the pages you do not want them to link to. Why don't you want people landing on your internal pages from Google?

chiyo

3:02 am on Jul 15, 2003 (gmt 0)

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>>I know how to do this, but is this legal?<<

If you are talking about redirection, nothing illegal in that! - only if it will work in the SEs! Google wants it's users to go to a page for which they have read the snippet, title, and other info for in the SERP, rather than some other page. It would not be in google's interest to do that, and if they could, they would probably eliminate the listing. The key question for SEO's is "if they could". Often its a compromise between guessing and more importantly, whether google would be able to do it soon, and most important of all, whether it will cause a general flag of your site that may cause google to delve deeper and/or apply penalties or bans.

jcoronella

3:14 am on Jul 15, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Chiyo is right, redirecting probably won't help you because google will eventually just remove your internal listing and leave you with nothing.

I had a similair problem a few weeks ago where the page that was in the SERPs for "widgets" was not the first impression that I wanted to give the customer. I ended up putting an IFRAME advertisement on that page that led the customer to what they really wanted.

You could also use a pop-up, but that's just gives bad user experience.

jeffb

3:40 am on Jul 15, 2003 (gmt 0)

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If one page ranks higher than the one you wanted ranked, use it as a chance to learn how to optimize your pages more to Google's liking.

I had the same problem of Google ranking two extremely narrowly focused pages above a page that I had designed specifically to appeal to the full range of a rather broad keyword. I compared the three pages to see why the more narrowly focused ones did better, reoptimized the more broadly focused page with what I learned and now the page I wanted people to see has replaced one of my narrowly focused pages as #2 without losing my #3.

And I learned a lot that I can now apply to my other optimizing as well.

chiyo

4:12 am on Jul 15, 2003 (gmt 0)

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surely, the simplest answer is to have a prominent text link to your home page. If the refrred Google visitor is REALLY a qualified prospect for your site as a whole, they will go to your home page anyway. Just make sure the home page link somehow correctly tells them what extra benefit that would get from going to your home page and seeing the index to your whole site.

The key of course, is that if people go to your site from faulty information in a referred link and description, they are less likely to be qualified buyers or longer term brand lotal customers of your site.

Unless of course you are just looking for one-time traffic and people clicking on your affiliate links. I hear it works but dont know anything about that side of web publishing!

jomaxx

4:45 am on Jul 15, 2003 (gmt 0)

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If people click on the listing for a page, they want and expect to see that page, not to be redirected to your homepage. A huge percentage of people will simply back out. If you absolutely can't have people coming in that way for some reason, then the page shouldn't be allowed into Google's index at all.

IMO you are far better to go with the flow rather than try to micromanage how people view your site. Simply provide solid navigational tools and prominent links to any critical information the user will eventually need, and let them sell themselves on your product.

Marcia

5:54 am on Jul 15, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I just thought of something. I've seen ecommerce sites, where if someone types in the domain name they're taken to an interior page called domain.com/products/whatever.php?id-99999 - something like that. The whole site is dumped into a shopping cart, there's actually nothing on the index page of the root for people to arrive at.

In that type of case, of inbound links are to the homepage the whole PR gets messed up.

HQ Webmaster

6:05 pm on Jul 16, 2003 (gmt 0)

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My inbound links (from other sites) are going to the interior pages, because my entrace page has little to no content.

I don't mind surfers landing inside my page, but I really want them to hit my entrance page. I definitely do not want to use robots.txt to block indexing... I want all the hits I can get to anywhere I can get them. Can I redirect all of these to my entrance page without worrying about someone at Google banning my site?

From your answers so far, it seems that this is ok.

jeffb

8:02 pm on Jul 16, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I've lost you. You're willing to go to a lot of effort to send your visitors to a page with no content? Why?

jomaxx

4:50 am on Jul 17, 2003 (gmt 0)

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If you read over the responses, I really don't think you'll find that people have been saying that your idea is OK from any viewpoint.

I personally have a tendency to be too low-key and roundabout in my posts, so let me rephrase my previous reply: Do not do this..

BigDave

5:54 am on Jul 17, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Think about the user that clicks on a google link expecing to find something useful, and they get the page that you yourself admit has no content.

Whan that happens to me, I hit the back button. It sure doesn't sound like a good idea to me.

chiyo

6:13 am on Jul 17, 2003 (gmt 0)

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No, i dont think this thread is saying on the whole it is OK! Why are you trying to deliver everyone to your home page? Is it flash, or are you getting paid by the number of the hits to the home page somehow.

Its just very curious why you want to redirect people looking for content to a page that you say has no/minimal content. It makes it hard for us to understand and therefore make recommendations.

Bottom line. Any listings in Google that land people on a different page than what the google description suggests is a key target for any refinements google is doing. How you will get visitors to convert when they go to a pplace they didnt ask for and therefore does not match their reason for going there, I guess, is your problem.

Marcia

6:48 am on Jul 17, 2003 (gmt 0)

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You want people going as close to your money pages as possible. The whole key is about value and conversion. When people are out looking for something they have no interest in seeing pretty splash pages - they want what they're looking for fast, and the best approach is to forget the pretty pages and get those folks into the shopping cart pulling out the plastic ASAP.

Pretty splash pages can be used for off-line promotions in certain industries, but they're not viable for purposes of search engine traffic. A good part of their value is for the ego of the graphic artist, to be perfectly honest. Which is OK if it's a firm selling graphic design services, but not for an ecom site. Ego doesn't necessarily convert to sales.

You could use a JS redirect - which is imho a "sneaky redirect" - and from a practical standpoint, the searcher was expecting the page she found at the search engine and will be getting something else. The average person won't, but folks like me will assume you're hiding something and go digging to see what's actually in your source code if that happens.

If interior pages are ranking well, it sounds to me like you're looking a gift horse in the mouth and asking for unnecessary complications.

digipaint

11:27 am on Jul 17, 2003 (gmt 0)



IMHO, if a site is built by two key rules, there shouldn't be any need to refer users back to an 'entrance page'. These 2 rules are - make the site easy to navigate from each and every page, and make sure that there is useful content on every page. If the site is selling a product or service, then make sure that pages have good call to action - i.e. get in touch via a common form or page.
Hope this helps?

nebuhost

8:51 am on Jul 18, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Interesting. I'd rather do the exact opposite. root index.html ranks well (for say red widgets). I want visitor to enter via the red-widgets-page.html when they search on red widgets -- not /index.html. Could redirect them automatically based on the Q...but... always thought this was bad. You're doing the same, but, opposite. Interesting.