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Banned in Google - Time to Recovery

Admittedly I am at a loss

         

fathom

11:58 pm on Jun 25, 2003 (gmt 0)

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A new "potential" client has been banned for doing "all" the black hat stuff.

Dumping the domains and host, remove all the offending "black hat" stuff the easiest approach - however, the branding loss would be even more catastrophic than the loss of Google traffic.

That being said - and needing to keep things as they are (negative the tactics that cause this in the first place) what are the changes of recovery (knowing that alot of begging will be needed) :)

It's not worth the effort if recovery is "distance future" since services fees will be incurred immediately and ongoing.

Never ventured across the edge - so this is completely new to me.

rfgdxm1

12:18 am on Jun 26, 2003 (gmt 0)

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If they were doing "all" the black hat stuff, figure that this is likely a Google Death Penalty case. Throw away the domains, and start anew.

Birdman

12:25 am on Jun 26, 2003 (gmt 0)

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It's possible that you could be re-included in a couple months but it's really a toss-up. I don't think you could actually give them a straight time frame or any guarantee.

If the name is that important to them, I would try to make it work. Clean the site, email Google and pray. ;)

fathom

12:35 am on Jun 26, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Throw away the domains, and start anew

My first thought as well... however, as stated before not an option, they continue to make good revenue from off-line marketing, catalogs, brochures, etc. where the expense of such material was considerable.

Re-direction to a new domain/host is not really an option either, as the relationship between old and new sites (and content) would be easily recognized thus for me in this contract "recovery as is" is the only option... thus the banned removal is needed.

Anyone with any experience here as to pending duration greatly appreciated.

BTW... this isn't a case of being penalized - all 150 sites were banned.

rfgdxm1

12:58 am on Jun 26, 2003 (gmt 0)

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So this is a case of 150 domains that were doing "all" the black hat stuff, and they hope just a "we're sorry" will get Google to let them back in? I certainly hope nobody at Google would be this foolish. I'd say they deserve the Google Death Penalty, and never again should these domains be allowed to appear on Google.

fathom

1:05 am on Jun 26, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Yes - agree rfgdxm1, not attempting to do all the mirrors that were duplicates. The main site is my only concern the mirrors would be dropped.

Although they themselves were foolish - they did act quickly and immediately went to Google premiums ads - but even these are short lived. Thus being "unbanned" is a necessity.

Quinn

1:06 am on Jun 26, 2003 (gmt 0)

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BTW... this isn't a case of being penalized - all 150 sites were banned.

How many out of these are tied into the current offline branding effort?

Quinn

1:11 am on Jun 26, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I think you've got a shot at getting the site back, but I wouldn't expect it to happen in less than six months.

Was in a similar situation about a year ago. Turnaround time was about 6 months for that situation.

I don't believe there's a death penalty.

In the meantime couldn't you optimize a site with that .com in the content to pick up on the loss of remarketing your offline efforts? (linking to the banned .com)

SlowMove

1:18 am on Jun 26, 2003 (gmt 0)

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What if you kept all the domain names, but moved everything to different hosts?

borisbaloney

1:20 am on Jun 26, 2003 (gmt 0)

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It seems to me your best option would be to keep the current banned domain up for your offline promotions. To attract search engines create a second domain and put in the work to create new content for that site.

You obviously can keep the same template and images and just write new content. It might not be easy for some 500,000 page monster site but IMO is your best bet.

This way you get the best of both worlds - current offline promotions are unaffected, and you have a fresh Google start.

fathom

1:27 am on Jun 26, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Interest idea Quinn, thanks.

fathom

1:30 am on Jun 26, 2003 (gmt 0)

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It seems to me your best option would be to keep the current banned domain up for your offline promotions. To attract search engines create a second domain and put in the work to create new content for that site.

Linkage would then be needed, and as I understand - Google maintains an active profile of banned sites, moving to a new domain (or host)with linkage to the old would push the ban to the new (or a penalty at least.

Am I wrong here?

borisbaloney

1:35 am on Jun 26, 2003 (gmt 0)

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>> Linkage would then be needed

Fathom, I don't know the structure or content of your site, but I meant create another completely independant site with new (or heavily reworded) content for the search engines.

Linking the new domain to the banned domain would obviously be counter-productive.

SlowMove

1:58 am on Jun 26, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Linkage would then be needed, and as I understand - Google maintains an active profile of banned sites, moving to a new domain (or host)with linkage to the old would push the ban to the new (or a penalty at least.

Isn't there some way that you could hide the links from the new site to the old site? For example, could you link to a page that you don't allow the robots to index and have it setup to automatic redirect to the old site?

Net_Wizard

3:17 am on Jun 26, 2003 (gmt 0)



If you dont want something seen by the search engine 'but' can be seen by the users then Java Script is the way to go.

<edit> Forgot to add that this is only effective with JS enabled browsers</edit>

fathom

3:21 am on Jun 26, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Excellent SlowMove - javascript the old (main) site completely and leave it active (redirected) and pointed to new site, new host, dump all the garbage mirrors.

(and no, the main site was the only brand for off-line) they heard (or had) someone that developed over 100 near identical sites to artifically develop link pop because they heard/were told they could get unbelieveable visitation through and I quote:

"our unprecedented trade secrets".

Unfortunately the main - original got the boot as well hidden text/links in all).

Thanks guys - I'll charge them an enormous fee for their stupidity...

...and send you a consultant fee for the help. :)