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White bar vs. the other White Bar

How to differ between penalty and not indexed

         

djgreg

4:27 pm on Jun 23, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Hi all,

IMHO since last update there are two sorts of white bars.
The first one indicates a penaltym so this is the old version of the white bar we all know.
But know there is also a white bar when a site is not in the index yet. I think this very misleading for users, because many users know that a white bar is a penalty but very less users know that now not every white bar indicates a penalty.
IMHO this means a disadvantage for newer sites, which are not in the index. The user might think they have been penalized and and for example not buy something.

Another point is, that it is difficult for webmasters to differ if they have been penalized or not.

Eventually this white bar phenomenon must have a reason, so why would Google give not indexed sites a white bar?

vitaplease

6:49 am on Jun 24, 2003 (gmt 0)

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At the moment there are grey toolbars for non-indexed pages, grey toolbars for indexed pages and grey toobars for pages that on a different search show full green Pagerank. Yesterday I could see white toolbar pages for newly indexed pages showing good ranking and backlinks (now grey). Tomorrow it might be different again.

In short in many cases Google for the moment cannot show the "Google importance" of a page - a state of continuous transitional ignorance? ;)

It used to be the case that a white toolbar was either a very low Pagerank (the lowest) or a penalty, with grey toolbar being unindexed. (the ultimate Google penalty would of course be a removal out of the index - hence grey as well).

The user might think they have been penalized and and for example not buy something.

I'd say 99,9% of users don't know what "penalised Pagerank" means.

About not buying because of low Pagerank:

To be fair, Google does state:

"Knowing a site's Pagerank can indicate if its what it appears to be"

(from the popup when downloading the advanced toolbar - bold is mine)

- Note that in this case they are referring to site as in: - "do not blindly focus on the Pagerank of an individual site's page, for deciding on a site's quality".

So Google is not saying the shown Pagerank of an individual page is absolute or correct or up-to-date in relation to the site's quality.

In a way if I start a restaurant today, it may take at least a year and a half before I get any form of (correct?) Michelin rating.

peewhy

7:04 am on Jun 24, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I don't think it is worth even considering the grey or white ... or indeed green tool bar until after the fat lady sings, it looks as though she's not even in the theatre yet!

pchristensen

12:24 pm on Jun 25, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Last week, I conducted a mjor overhaul on my site and moved it from a .NU extension to a real .COM. I felt that a URL in the .NU name space was never going to rank high, no matter what.

After I made the change, I could just barely see green on the PR bar. Even then, it was intermittent between white and slight green. This week, all I see is a white PR bar. Knowing that I had just made this change...and hoping I did not do something to penalize myself, how long will it take to see some consistent PR results?

Another most gut-wrenching issue for me is that my site was added into DMOZ in April along with a dozen others in my category. As of today, Google STILL refuses to acknowledge the new sites in its Directory. Three months later and Google still has not sychronized the directory with DMOZ.

-Paul

JudgeJeffries

1:31 pm on Jun 25, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Anyone else suffering the same confusion as me?
Last week 40+ page site all pages PR3, this week all pages PR0 whitebar except index which is PR5.
I think the site is totally clean.
It seems to be the exact opposite of those complaining about the index page being droped as my index page has gone shooting upwards and onwards, from page 3 to #1. Huge increase in traffic on one search term, zilch on 40 other pages.

Good_Vibes

5:18 pm on Jun 25, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Don't forget the sites that have a green bar (PR5) and are not even in the Google Database. ;)

Gus_R

7:32 pm on Jun 25, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Even this thread has white bar!
(at least in my browser)

zeus

7:37 pm on Jun 25, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Well I have alot of white bars on many of my pages, but I think the most white bars are low PR rank nothing els and a penalty is grey or not indexed.

zeus

djgreg

6:26 am on Jun 26, 2003 (gmt 0)

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3 days ago I sent a Mail to Google with the title "reinclusion request" for one of my domains which had a white bar and I believed it was a penalty because sometime in the past I had hidden text on that domain.
Yesterday (2 days later!) I recieved a personal Mail from Google, that my page is clean and that it has no penalty.
Anyway it has a white bar but Google is showing 8 backlinks, all above PR4.
So if it is no penalty, why does my site have no PR. It should have because Google shows backlinks to my site.
But if it was a penalty Google wouldn't show backlinks and my site wouldn't be present in the index.

Very strange situation.

doc_z

8:19 am on Jun 26, 2003 (gmt 0)

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In the past the Toolbar was guessing PR in several cases. However, currently it seems that pages whose PR haven't yet calculated get a white bar (independend if they are indexed or not).

Dolemite

8:38 am on Jun 26, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Try pointing toolbarqueries.google.com to a specific datacenter if you want more stability.

I've found it to at least be more consistent while using the same DC, as you might expect.