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What would you suggest to improve Google?

New list, since Xmas was a long time ago...

         

Good_Vibes

7:09 pm on May 19, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I would like to start a new list of improvements we could come up with for Google. I know GoogleGuy likes these lists, so this one is a Victoria day gift to him.

rogerd posted a great one that inspired me to start this thread.
[webmasterworld.com...]

If Google could take one step that would mitigate webmaster claims of unfairness, it would be to have a better reinclusion/penalty-lifting response mechanism. Despite claims that Google is devoting more resources to this issue, we still get many reports of months going by with no reply to desperate inquiries. A simple reply of "lose the crosslinks, you bonehead, and we'll restore you" would go a long way for the well-intentioned webmaster who gets caught in a spam purge.

Essex_boy

7:19 pm on May 19, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Scrap it..... Well maybe not but for gods sake and mine please keep the ranking system stable. It appears to me to changing almost monthly.

dmorison

8:21 pm on May 19, 2003 (gmt 0)

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#1

Variation in top SERP for competitive keywords.

The web is now too big for a dominant search engine to drive the majority of traffic to just 2 or 3 sites when there are maybe 20 or 30 (or in some cases many, many more) all equally worthy of the top position.

dmorison

8:26 pm on May 19, 2003 (gmt 0)

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#2

Automatic assessment of result quality...

... based in input such as "The user clicked on 'Next'", Why? First page of results not good enough? Ok, promote those on the second page and see what difference that makes...

I don't believe they will every be able to eliminate SPAM algorithmically.

atadams

8:30 pm on May 19, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Parse plurality.

iThink

8:38 pm on May 19, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Googlebot should be able to find new IP of a site quickly when the site is moved to a new domain/host. Some times googlebot takes as much as 6-7 weeks to find the new IP after a domain is moved to a new server and the site is almost wiped out of index for 1 update.

rfgdxm1

8:46 pm on May 19, 2003 (gmt 0)

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First improvement I'd like to see from Google is that they get their act together, and quit rolling out botched indexes like this current one. As for penalties, I'd like Google to do less reinclusions. Make it a permanent Google Death Penalty if the site is commercial. Such deserve no sympathy. Let them start over with a new domain.

pmac

8:59 pm on May 19, 2003 (gmt 0)

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<permanent Google Death Penalty if the site is commercial.>

Hello? You have been quite vocal in past threads about your own personal domain. Should you be exempt from a penalty because your site isn't selling stuff?

dmorison

9:03 pm on May 19, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Parse plurality

Nah, leave the benefit of optimisation by including plural terms in your body text to those who have recognised that the answer to the question "What are you searching for?" is most of the time by definition the plural version of the word.... ;)

Seriously though, I second this because it would prevent you from having to sound stupid just to get plural versions of keywords into your body text, which don't make sense at the single site level, whilst they do at the search level.

vitaplease

1:57 pm on May 20, 2003 (gmt 0)

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- Alexa type popularity toolbar info
- Option to keep visited webpages in a toolbar archive (as opposed to normal browser history) with different colours showing for already visited.
- Googlelabs synonyms/antonyms
- Update the Googlelabs glossary (old + many broken links).
- Offer search query expansion as opt-in option (a la AltaVista Prisma/Teoma)
- Make Freshly indexed pages searchable (a la GooFresh)
- allow more combined advanced searches (like Alltheweb)
- introduce wildcard (*?) searches

Become (even) more international:

Google news in the other main non-English languages
Google glossary in other languages
Google search results offering of link to Dictionary in other languages
Google stock quotes link offering also for non-US countries
Google map offering also for non-US countries
Google telephone also for non-US countries
Google catalog for other languages (plus a put it in a box for my intranet at $750.-)
also mentioned here: [webmasterworld.com...]

make an update FAQ page on the Google site...with a link to it from the Google index page.

europeforvisitors

2:20 pm on May 20, 2003 (gmt 0)



I'd like to see two separate search windows on the Google home page:

"I'm searching for information on..."

"I'm shopping for..."

(or words to that effect).

The Google toolbar search window could offer a similar choice via radio buttons.

The "information" results would filter out e-commerce pages; the "shopping" results would display only e-commerce pages.

wackmaster

2:57 pm on May 20, 2003 (gmt 0)



I. Softer penalties for "iffy" infractions that may or may not be intentional, and are more easily handled with the algo's (keyword density).

II. Harsher penalties for spammers who knowingly employ deceptive practices to influence SERP's (e.g., hidden text).

III. Deploy a posting mechanism so webmasters will know if a site has been penalized. Posts would contain simple categories and durations (e.g., www.BlueWidgets.com: Excessive cross linking. Duration 12 months). Guarantees of reconsideration, one-time-only, but no guarantees of explanation or response from Google, other than updated posts.

Benefits of Point III. Above
1) Spammers
No difference expected here. Spammers already know the rules they are breaking, and posts like this won't change their behavior, nor will posts like this enlighten or help them - face it, most of these guys are way beyond that. Once they see they have been nailed (and they don't need posts to tell them that), they move on and start again anyway.

2) Overly Aggressive SEO'ed Sites
This will *encourage* people to stay on the right side of the "law" (same logic as publishing laws in civilized societies, rather than arresting people in the middle of the night and not charging them ;-) )

3) Well Intentioned SEO'ed Sites
This will *help* people to stay on the right side of the "law" (because these people want to do that)

4) People Who Don't Know Any Better
Gives them a chance to learn and clean up their sites.

Richie

3:07 pm on May 20, 2003 (gmt 0)

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On results pages have the full title of the page, but over X lines (not going right over the the right of the page but half on the first line, half on the second) rather than just one line with the first bit of the title and then ..., like the BBCi search.

I agree with dmorison's #1.

trillianjedi

3:14 pm on May 20, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Out of curiousity, a quick question to all who have responded to this thread.

If google said to you:-

"ok, no problem, we will do all of those things, but in doing so, google will be running on 3 cylinders only for a month or two and expect hazy results for a bit while we build it, test it and roll it out"

Would you still want them to go ahead?

In other words, until google stabilises, do we really know whether or not the new algo takes care of these things already?

I suspect a large chunk of what people have asked in this thread for their google "wish-list" is being created as we speak.

Spam is google's number 1 enemy and they know that. It will be as high on their wishlist as it is on ours.

I'm not picking a fight here I promise (so don't start flaming me rfgdxm1!) but I am curious...

TJ

Spica

3:22 pm on May 20, 2003 (gmt 0)

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From a user point of view, I really think that the singular-plural forms of keywords should bring up the same results. If I am searching for info on "widgets", I would obviously be interested in seeing a site that is all about a "brand new widget".
I know that there are problems with keywords such as "news" as opposed to "new", but it shouldn't be that hard to make a list of exceptions.

dmorison

5:11 pm on May 20, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Talk in other threads is indicating that my #1 wish (variation in top SERP) may be coming true.... :)

eraldemukian

5:40 pm on May 20, 2003 (gmt 0)

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LOCATION keyword.

Google should support one standard for having the location described in a META Tag. Blogs already do that.

After a bit of botting, google could offer: ' widgets near you'

simple yet powerfull. The last coding contest suggested to get the location automatically out of tiger if address could be found. Supporting a META tag for location would be so much easier.

FEEDBACK

One of the biggest untapped assets of google is there huge traffic.
The idea to evaluate the count of "NEXT" clicks as dmorison suggested is really great! Its already there, just needs a feedback loop.

Google could easily 'recruit' lets say 50.000 people signing up for a special toolbar that would allow high-quality feedback. The top spammers as seen by 50K people are probably a good starting point for manual spam penalties (I do not think that SPAM is the #1 problem for google (yet))

#1 problem is peoples inability to generate meaningful queries

TYPE GUESSING

Right now the web falls into a couple of pieces: Boards, Blogs and other stuff. It is not that hard to detect 80-90% of the B & Bm, since there are a limited number of tools. An option to include/exclude certain types of sites could make results neater

Can we have it by June?
:-)

Richie

9:51 pm on May 20, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Another thing is they could have radio buttons for things like 'exact phrase' instead of having to type different things in the actual box, and there are a lot of them so I sometimes forget. They could have that as an optional preference.

vitaplease

4:59 am on May 21, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Agree Richie,

they should change the "I'm feeling lucky" button to "Exact search" button.

Jakpot

12:11 pm on May 21, 2003 (gmt 0)

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agree

wanderer

4:24 am on May 22, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I'm in Canada, and as a user, I don't like the fact that my results are different than the results seen by someone in the US or UK. Give me the option of seeing results that would be seen by a user in another country (in my case, I usually want to see the results from the US). I know I can do this from other websites or by specifying a Google URL in my address box first, but the average user doesn't know that - and for the purpose of this suggestion, I am an average user.

This one is probably impossible, but what I'd really like to see: when I search for "cold feet", ask me if I mean the TV show, wedding jitters, or ways to deal with having cold feet. When I search for "moonlight", ask me if I mean work a second job, or the light of the moon. Often search terms have two or more completely different subject categories, one of which dominates the results (usually not the one you're loking for!).

keeper

5:39 am on May 22, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Source usage and popularity data to include in the algo, broken down by category.

Kinda like a PageRank based on visits rather than links.

Slud

6:10 am on May 22, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Extension to Google toolbar to allow blogs to be used for web page annotation.

Custom views of those annotations based on personalized rankings.

Jakpot

6:23 pm on May 22, 2003 (gmt 0)

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"First improvement I'd like to see from Google is that they get their act together, and quit rolling out botched indexes like this current one.'

All the PhD's need something to keep them busy.
Everything will eventually come out ok.