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Linking to High Ranking Sites

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jjdesigns4u

3:47 pm on May 10, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Brett,

I haw reading your steps to Google success and came across "G" Outbound links.

"From every page, link to one or two hig ranking sites under that particular keyword. Use your keyword in the link text. (this is ultra important for the future)"

Are we talking about an exchange of links with this site?

I thought outbound links did not help you?

Can you tell me the result of doing this please.

Thanks!

SEO practioner

4:14 pm on May 10, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Hi Brett,

As jjdesigns, I'd like to know too. I'm sure you have a good theory or valid explanation on this. We would just like to "pick your brains"

deft_spyder

5:36 pm on May 10, 2003 (gmt 0)

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IANAB (I am not a Brett), but I have picked up somewhere that this has to do with the establishment of clusters of authority on a topic.

By linking to someone of authority, you are associating yourself with them, and this, Brett says, will begin to be "ultra-important" in the future. Imagine the authority cluster, and if you don't have any incoming links from them, you are still on the outskirts. But with incoming/outgoing links, you are a participating part of that cluster, right there in the thick of it. Google will or does value this participation.

Sounds to me like he has some insight into the algo and he knows that your outgoing links will play a part in saying what neightborhood you live in... and if there is someone with some juice on that topic, its Brett.

warumauchnicht

6:04 pm on May 10, 2003 (gmt 0)

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IANAB too, but deft's explanation sounds quite clear to me.
And it won't hurt anybody if you install some links to these pages. So why don't do it?

But I don't think that these links will become "ultra-important". It would make it too easy to cheat ;-)

SEO practioner

6:24 pm on May 10, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Sounds to me like Brett is on to something worth noting and talking about

digitalghost

6:26 pm on May 10, 2003 (gmt 0)

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If the future is theming...

conor

10:43 pm on May 10, 2003 (gmt 0)

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...or if the future is a Google acquisition of Teoma technology : The communities you are part of and or associated with is the basis of Teoma's view of the web.

rfgdxm1

11:10 pm on May 10, 2003 (gmt 0)

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AFAIK, at the moment with Google not only will this not help, it will leak PageRank. As for what Google may do with the algo in the future, no way of knowing.

digitalghost

11:13 pm on May 10, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I'll take the benefit of keywords in anchor text on the page over the perceived "leaking of Pagerank" any day.

rfgdxm1

11:15 pm on May 10, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Just put the keywords on the page without linking to other sites. This works just as well, and doesn't leak PageRank.

digitalghost

11:20 pm on May 10, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Keywords in anchor text are given more weight than words on a page. I don't subscribe to the Leaking PageRank Theory anyway. I have too many successful sites that prove it pays to link.

rfgdxm1

11:33 pm on May 10, 2003 (gmt 0)

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>Keywords in anchor text are given more weight than words on a page.

I see no evidence of this. And, if you think so then link to internal pages using the keywords in anchor text.

>I don't subscribe to the Leaking PageRank Theory anyway. I have too many successful sites that prove it pays to link.

As described in the original academic paper outbound links leak PR. And, of course it is possible to do well even if you link PR. Not all SERPs are dominated by pages with a PR of 8 or better, so obviously PR is only one element of the algo.

digitalghost

11:47 pm on May 10, 2003 (gmt 0)

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First, If I choose to link to another site, then I have chosen to send some of my page's PR to the page I'm linking to. There's no leak.

Googleguy has mentioned that hoarding PR can be detrimental to a website's health and in that regard he seems to agree with me. ;)

Since anchor text seems to play a large part in Google's ranking determination is follows that anchor text is given more weight than normal text. I can effectively control the phrases I want to rank well with by making sure I use those phrases in anchor text.

Lastly, I don't design sites specifically for Google, part of the optimization process is optimizing sites for the user. Google has never bought a thing from me.

Linking to a few authoritative sites certainly won't hurt anything and it helps the surfers by providing them with authoritative resources.

rfgdxm1

11:54 pm on May 10, 2003 (gmt 0)

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>First, If I choose to link to another site, then I have chosen to send some of my page's PR to the page I'm linking to. There's no leak.

Semantics.

>Googleguy has mentioned that hoarding PR can be detrimental to a website's health and in that regard he seems to agree with me.

Citation please so that I can review for context?

>Lastly, I don't design sites specifically for Google, part of the optimization process is optimizing sites for the user. Google has never bought a thing from me.

However, visitors who find you using Google probably buy.

>Linking to a few authoritative sites certainly won't hurt anything and it helps the surfers by providing them with authoritative resources.

If it works for you, then do it. And, as a general rule unless a site is willing to link to other sites, few will link to that site. This lack of links would mean low PR, and thus on this level linking does help.

digitalghost

12:15 am on May 11, 2003 (gmt 0)

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As requested:

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Notice the bit about participation that Paynt brought up. I think that is pertinent to most discussions about linking. Too many people are getting caught up in Pagerank and forgetting about creating sites that create a good experience for the user. While GoogleGuy didn't specifically say, "Don't hoard PR or we'll penalize you" the implication that sites that hoard PR are easy to spot speaks volumes. Why would anyone care if those sites are easy to spot unless there is a reason for noticing them?

rfgdxm1

12:29 am on May 11, 2003 (gmt 0)

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>As requested:
[webmasterworld.com...]

All GG says there is "Of course, folks never know when we're going to adjust our scoring. It's pretty easy to spot domains that are hoarding PageRank; that can be just another factor in scoring." Of course, in the future anything is possible. I'd advise worrying about what is real now, rather than what might, hypothetically be possible in the future.

>Notice the bit about participation that Paynt brought up. I think that is pertinent to most discussions about linking. Too many people are getting caught up in Pagerank and forgetting about creating sites that create a good experience for the user. While GoogleGuy didn't specifically say, "Don't hoard PR or we'll penalize you" the implication that sites that hoard PR are easy to spot speaks volumes. Why would anyone care if those sites are easy to spot unless there is a reason for noticing them?

I agree that creating sites that are a good experience for the user is important. If that means external linking, then do so. Note that commercial sites often have few outbound links naturally. Thus, penalizing for this seems dubious.

conor

12:39 am on May 11, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Linking to on topic, non-competeive sites from relevant pages within my site is something that I have been doing for years, with no other good reason than wanting to avoid creating sites with a closed circle of links. The 'loss' of PR is negligable, the benifit in Google is negligable, the usefulness to users is probably negligable but none of it hurts. It is natural and its what Hypertext was designed for and if/when outbound links figure prominantly in SE algo's maybe the effect won't be negligable.