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AcesHigh

2:32 pm on Apr 10, 2003 (gmt 0)



As reading the forum I notice many, many, many people impatient with the google update because their business "depends" on high ranks. I feel search engines have a monopoly of the internet world.
Example:
Today you are in the top 10 of 50,000,000 results.
Towmorrow your site gets wiped or someone comes along and pays to have their site listed above yours.
There is no guarantee of being listed whatsoever, therefore they are protected 100%.

It is scary just how much of an impact these search engines have on companies (and some users personal lives lol).

Anyone elses thoughts?

creative craig

2:36 pm on Apr 10, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Its a free service, if you want a 100% guarantee of your listing then you will need to pay, sounds fair to me.

Craig

tigger

2:46 pm on Apr 10, 2003 (gmt 0)

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It called business

ronin

2:46 pm on Apr 10, 2003 (gmt 0)

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But surely, the search engines only have this much impact _because_ of the present tendency of webmasters to rely so much on search engines to guarantee certain levels of site-traffic?

Optimising for Google is a popular choice for webmasters only because the engine itself is currently popular with the WWW-searching public.... partly because the best websites make sure they're optimised for Google. (Self reinforcing loop, see?)

Once some revolutionary new method to search the web or to promote one's site is thought up, search engines as we know them will be out.

Imagine if you had a website selling childrens toys and instead of advertising on the web or submitting to search engines, you gave free balloons to schools all over the world.

You wouldn't really be bothered about the nxt Google update then, would you?

buckworks

2:52 pm on Apr 10, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Losing rank in a major search engine is a foreseeable problem. A wise manager develops other strategies along the way, such as link development, offline promotions, paid advertising, newsletter, etc.

The old wisdom about not putting all your eggs in the same basket is equally valid in cyberspace.

c1bernaught

2:58 pm on Apr 10, 2003 (gmt 0)

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AcesHigh,

You are treading on hallowed ground here.

I think you'll find that perception here is based on how well the answerer is doing in the Google index.

Those making money will defend everything Google says and does. Those people struggling in the index will lament all those things they see as unfair.

IMHO: Those, without financial resources, willing to put time and energy into playing by the rules, getting links and optimising, will do well. Those people who who have money and can buy their way to the top, will do well. Those people who can do both will do the best.

Fiver_321

3:15 pm on Apr 10, 2003 (gmt 0)



Ok - so those who can do both....

This is interesting, I absolutely and totally dominate in the SEO stakes for my chosen words on google, so where can I go to pay now?

Forget overture and PPCs because the bidders for my keywords are bidding too much and losing money, they come and go when they discover this but there are plenty of fools trying it week in week out.

No point in adwords or googles top twoers, as I do that and have gone north, so now Ive got the lot.

What next? Any suggestions - I am willing to pay so long as I get a return.

c1bernaught

3:26 pm on Apr 10, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Fiver,

So, you are #1 for every keyword, market, product and segment you are in? Total domination in my mind means that you have no competition in your market.

Is that the case? If so, you need to enter other markets. Eventually you own them all.

BigDave

3:31 pm on Apr 10, 2003 (gmt 0)

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How about non-search engine advertising? You could put out a quality, informational newsletter to keep your current customers.

Do your online customers meet with your potential customers in an offline situation? If they buy enough stuff, give them good promotional freebies. Make it stuff that is good enough that they will actually use it, with discreet advertising that is noticable but not obnoxious.

If you sell office products, give out coffee mugs. If you sell workout clothes, give out gym bags and water bottles.

Jon_King

3:32 pm on Apr 10, 2003 (gmt 0)

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The SEO/Internet Marketing Firm I would hire has a strategy which is more than Google alone.

Fiver_321

7:18 am on Apr 11, 2003 (gmt 0)



Yes - every keyword I go for I get to the top eventually, and in addition, I also dominate by popping sites up there for 2 3 4 5 6 ....... etc. As much as I can.

There is plenty of competition!

Ok - I admit - there are a couple which are difficult and I am only at say - 2 5 9 for them, but in time.. :)
No rush :)

MSN is the same, so many sites subbed for the same keywords, when some go out due to a change, the others pop in - its the only way to be sure with Inktomi.

Sponsored listings in OV - already mentioned, outbid and swamped by total loser plonks.

Web Directory listings - ;) no problems in any areas there with known editors in both DMOZ and Zeal sorting things out for me. Yahoo - a bit weak on in terms of the DIR but the google listings are ok, and when/if yahoo switches to Ink, then bobs yer uncle there aswell.

I was looking for more popular products so I can replicate this more now, but whats popular - SEO isnt the hard part, its finding whats going down well in the US.

Use WT but usually end up spotting one like a 5$ profit for me per sale with only around 200 searches per day. I cant be bothered with those anymore.

Whats next for me and my team? After 6 years of being an affiliate, i'd like to start running my own program, but I dont know where to start.

Ideally, I'd like to be able to go to a manufacturer of widget, tell them that I can put their product in front of 50,000 + people per month (via qualified searches) - and then pass the manufacturer the orders - who would then ship them, bill the customer, and send me 50% or whatever.

Does anyone else do this sort of thing? I see it as the only next viable step for me now.

chiyo

7:31 am on Apr 11, 2003 (gmt 0)

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There are less concerns about these "monopolies" now as the web matures and becomes more professional and people realise that free traffic from SEO's is nice but not something to build a sustainable business (or spend your A&P budget on). Free SE traffic was just an opportunity for some early movers when SEs were developing and needed to test their systems. That opportunity has long past. And its great to see that all those "google took food from my babies mouths" posts finally disappearing as reality sets in.