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Google vs Microsoft Part 2

         

BryantStevens

9:41 pm on Apr 2, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Continued from: [webmasterworld.com...]


Links to stories:

[reuters.com...]

Clovis

10:23 pm on Apr 2, 2003 (gmt 0)

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good point RF, the simplicity of use confused them, and the quality of results make them weep with joy.

wonder how many MSN searchers convert to exclusively google each day?

Kennyh

10:24 pm on Apr 2, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Brent, FreeBSD is the basis of Mac OS X. Maybe M$ will 'switch' to the Mac ;-)

What's that above me? Oh look - a flying pig!

rfgdxm1

10:26 pm on Apr 2, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Here is the key part:

"Visse said the company was making some significant investments in developing a better search engine. But the company has not offered specific plans."

Now, if you owned something that MS, which has billions of dollars to spare, wanted to make "significant investments in", wouldn't you be salivating at making them an offer?

Zapatista

10:26 pm on Apr 2, 2003 (gmt 0)



I interpret the article as saying MS will try to offer an engine that compets with Google, not buy Google. MS has the self inflated ego to think they can offer something they believe will compete with Google.

heini

10:27 pm on Apr 2, 2003 (gmt 0)

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The Reuters article quoting the MS persons specifically talks about investing in building their own solution. Not once in the whole thing a possible buyout is mentioned.
It pays to read before commenting :)

MS working on search services, this is the second related news story in just two days. The other one is about MS developing their own PPC solution, where it said they might have it ready end of next year. Which in internet time is like saying next decade.

Clovis

10:29 pm on Apr 2, 2003 (gmt 0)

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food for thought:

MS hires out services to google to build a search engine similar in premise, but not equal to the mighty GOOGLE we all know and love... can you imagine the stipulations in that contract?! talk about a prenup...WHEW!

rfgdxm1

10:32 pm on Apr 2, 2003 (gmt 0)

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>Not once in the whole thing a possible buyout is mentioned.

They are signalling to Google's owners that they want to buy.

syngod

10:36 pm on Apr 2, 2003 (gmt 0)

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While I can easily see MS eyeing up Google to bolster their search market share, I also see them willing to buy it to bolster their software business.

Microsoft has said its been searching for ways to capitalize on its various technologies, for example data retrieval and analysis, by entering new markets. It has also targeted security software.

With MS trying to gain a foothold in the enterprise market, picking up Google and it's patents obviously couldn't hurt sales if they decided to add Google algorithms into products like their Great Plains, SQL or future Windows products.

kovacs

10:41 pm on Apr 2, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Trying to integrate Google and M$ would be a branding nightmare... talk about chalk and cheese.

msr986

10:41 pm on Apr 2, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Buying Google is consistent with the way MS does it's development. Rarely does MS develop something of their own from the ground up. They usually start with something that someone else has thought of.

rfgdxm1

10:46 pm on Apr 2, 2003 (gmt 0)

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>Buying Google is consistent with the way MS does it's development. Rarely does MS develop something of their own from the ground up. They usually start with something that someone else has thought of.

Plus, MS obviously doesn't know diddly about Internet search technology. They currently are farming that out to Inktomi/Yahoo. If MS is serious about dominating that market, they have to buy an existing search engine. Google is easily affordable to MS.

Camster

10:50 pm on Apr 2, 2003 (gmt 0)

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They currently are farming that out to Inktomi/Yahoo.

And to Looksmart. What about Wisenut. I still say the Wisenut guy at SES was talking like he knew something when he said "watch for big things that I can't tell you about."

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Sure it's an immature product. But with 300 MS engineers swarming over it for a coupla months... who knows?!

rfgdxm1

10:54 pm on Apr 2, 2003 (gmt 0)

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>What about Wisenut.

If you had $43.4 billion in cash reserves, which is what MS has as I just looked that up, why not pay for the best? MS buying Looksmart/Wisenut makes as much sense as the Saudi royal family buying Volkswagen's when they can buy luxury cars.

Camster

10:59 pm on Apr 2, 2003 (gmt 0)

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But what if the Mercedes dealership ain't selling to your type? I'm not saying it's likely... just that if you're an MS strategist, you don't have only one name on your list.

Xoc

11:00 pm on Apr 2, 2003 (gmt 0)

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1) Don't doubt that Google is for sale for the right price. Just that price has been higher than anyone has been willing to pay. I'd say in excess of $2 billion and maybe 4 or 5.

2) Bill is a frugal guy. He didn't get to be the richest guy in America by blowing his cash. If he feels that he can get the same result without paying Google's price, he will.

3) When Bill buys a company, he routinely insists that he get the people as well as the technology. In the long run, those people have been more valuable than the technology. I don't see the people at Google meshing with the Microsoft way of doing things.

4) There are a lot of smart guys at Microsoft. Google's technology is reproducible. Microsoft has won many battles by being patient and waiting for the other company to screw up while making their own technology better.

5) I see Microsoft buying Overture before they buy Google. They wind up with the Fast technology, plus get several other pieces they want: Altavista's patent library and Overture's PPC model. As a matter of fact, I will predict that negotiations are underway right now and that the deal will be done by the end of the year, if not sooner.

jeremy goodrich

11:03 pm on Apr 2, 2003 (gmt 0)

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There is NO way Google is going to be sold to MS.

Earlier today, Brett mentioned there are now 70 people working at the MS search division.

If they wanted to make a try for it -> they would have done it last year, instead of watching them grow more expensive.

Google has one way of doing business - MS way of doing it is completely different.

The whole smart tags thing...how many webmaster's would start doing the NO Cache thing right away?

And then, sue the cr@p out of MS for displaying their cached pages...?

mediaman

11:09 pm on Apr 2, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Well if it were my company, and the price was right, why not cash out while ahead?

Couple young guys own Google, so who would blame them.

I could only imagine what they would be able to get for Google. Lot's... Enough to last several life times.

Scary thought though! MS owning Google? Shudder!

rfgdxm1

11:14 pm on Apr 2, 2003 (gmt 0)

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>Well if it were my company, and the price was right, why not cash out while ahead?

Right. The owners of Google would be fools not to be trying to sell it to MS. The open question is whether this what MS wants?

GodLikeLotus

11:15 pm on Apr 2, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Money Talks and we live in world run by corporates.

rfgdxm1

11:17 pm on Apr 2, 2003 (gmt 0)

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>5) I see Microsoft buying Overture before they buy Google. They wind up with the Fast technology, plus get several other pieces they want: Altavista's patent library and Overture's PPC model. As a matter of fact, I will predict that negotiations are underway right now and that the deal will be done by the end of the year, if not sooner.

I figure that MS is going to buy out somebody. Google may be the biggest fish in the pond, but not the only one.

EliteWeb

11:17 pm on Apr 2, 2003 (gmt 0)

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You'd figure with the love that has grown google they wouldnt want it to to grow out of shape from the game plan they are running with now. If it were to be sold im sure there would be restrictions in order.

jrobbio

11:20 pm on Apr 2, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Would International law allow MSN to take over Google? I don't know how it works on this level although I've heard the odd merger etc. blocked because of this.

rfgdxm1

11:24 pm on Apr 2, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Should be no legal problems with MS buying Google. MS currently is nothing in the search engine business. Now if MS tried to buy Apple that could be a problem.

GodLikeLotus

11:27 pm on Apr 2, 2003 (gmt 0)

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International Law, Monopolies, they are probably already partying in the White House, "What A Payday for the Bush Clan". I mean have they not been trying to split up MS for last few years.

EquityMind

12:04 am on Apr 3, 2003 (gmt 0)



The article states nothing about a purchase and this thread is way off topic. The article specifically states that they are taking aim which means to compete. An acquisition of Google would not make sense nor has it ever been in Google's business plan to be aquired as such. From the onset the Google mentality was to avoid anything Microsoft. Their technology runs on Linux, Their VC backers are Kleiner Perkins, one of the most anti Microsoft VC's - they even set up a java fund to go up against Microsoft and set up their own 'keiritsu' of technology companys and affiliates to work against Microsoft. John Doerr (Google board member and investor) was once referred to in Forbes as the man Bill Gates fears most.

The corporate culture between the two camps couldn't be more opposite. Google I'm thinking inherently good while Microsoft inherently evil - I don't have to go into history or explain this to state the obvious.

What I do gather from this is a full deploy of resources to try and compete with the big G. The 70 staffers that they have in search is set to triple in size, you don't triple your tech team if you are looking to make an aquisition, sounds to me like they may try to buy technology but are putting a serious effort in their own search algorithms. An ealier artcle spoke about not using Overture in the future and relying on their own prowess for paid search in the future so I don't see an Overture acquisition either, especially with the slide of stock after MS's announcement (although who knows, THAT could be their strategy). Besides, Overture has too many partners that would be competitive to MS search and the business model and distribution channel would diminish.

My money's on Google as a stand alone and as a one day public company - Microsoft should be fearful.

rfgdxm1

12:19 am on Apr 3, 2003 (gmt 0)

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>Visse said the company continued to invest in search, but apart from the paid-listings area.

Which is a secondary issue. MS could logically buy Google for the search technology, and farm the ads out to Overture. The question is how MS will "invest in search"? With all the money MS has to spend, I can't imagine them trying to become a big player in search from scratch. Makes sense to buy out someone who knows about this. However, that someone could very well be other than Google. But, who else is left to buy?

skibum

12:29 am on Apr 3, 2003 (gmt 0)

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The day M$ owns Google = End of Internet

I think this is one battle MSFT will have no chance of winning. People like Google, they don't like or trust MSFT and in this case they have a choice..unles of course, MS started making browsers that wouldn't work with or access Google.

Google dance becomes the MSN shudder

WebGuerrilla

12:36 am on Apr 3, 2003 (gmt 0)

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MS never does anything from scratch. And after talking to many people at SES last month, I think it's safe to say that everyone understands that when Bill decides he wants to be in the search space, he'll do it in a very big way.

So now everyone (especially Overture)is scrambling to put themselves in the position of being the only logical choice when Bill decides to break out the checkbook.

And while I completely agree that the companies come from very different cultures, I think it's a bit naive to think that Google wouldn't sell just because they don't like MS.

MS will acquire someone. That is just the way they do things. If Google doesn't consider taking a good offer, they will end up having to fight for marketshare against a giant that has both an unlimited supply of cash and control over a dominant portion of web users.

Going that route could turn out to be a very expensive thical decision.

Brett_Tabke

1:08 am on Apr 3, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Part 3 of our Saga: Overture/MS says it's not true:

[webmasterworld.com...]

alex_h

2:43 pm on Apr 3, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Microsoft NEVER buys #1...

It's not their style. They don't focus on having #1 tech, they focus on good enough tech, and leveraging marketing. They also aim to be a full service shop.

Microsoft will likely buy a real tech house, but not Google. Google would easily cost $2b ($200m in profits, 10:1 Price:Earnings would be low), $4b-$5b is more likely. Look at one the also rans sold for recently, <$200m each. MSN is a player in search because of IE, despite mediocre search. Remember, MSN Search ONLY needs to be good enough that people with IE (90%, almost as good as Windows penetration) don't bother going elsewhere. If it is easier to search MSN, and you get good enough results, MS wins.

That's step one, step two is cutting off air supply.

Letting Fast, Altavista, and Inktomi all get purchased was BIZARRE. MS should have bought one of those.

Forget the browser market, look at online Encyclopedias. Rather than buying World Book, Britanica, or other "real" encyclopedias, they picked up the Funk and Wagner's (sp?) mediocre one, and then marketed, bundled, etc., their CD-ROM until their product is more-or-less associated with Encyclopedias. They got a good enough solution, that cost less than a good solution.

Microsoft sits high on the Software food chain because of this intelligence. They let all the little companies get something going, then they buy one of them cheaply (there go the other little companies), and then turn against the big boy with good enough. When they get good enough for 80%-90% of the market, there isn't much left for the "best" solution.

Most people don't need stability, so IBM (OS/2) and Sun couldn't knock MS off the desktop. Most people don't need a super-intuitive interface (intuitive and learnable is good enough), so they knocked Apple down.

If you build the best solution, a cheaper good enough solution will dominate the market. That leaves you in the high end premium market. Sure IBM, Sun, Apple, etc., make a small fortune in their premium niches, but Microsoft makes the lion's share of profits (not revenues though), by getting the mass market.

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