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alvazulu

5:41 pm on Apr 2, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Quote from Successful Site in 12 Months with Google Alone
26 steps to 15k a day by Brett_Tabke :

T) Build one page of content per day.
Head back to the Overture suggestion tool to get ideas for fresh pages.

I have questions if I may:

1. Do I need to submit these pages (one page of content per day) to google?

2. Do I need to link these pages to the root and if yes do I need to link back from root to these pages?

3. If one page per day ( means 365 pages per year), how to organize the links to these pages from the root (index.html).

4. What is the purpose of building these pages?

Sorry for my english ( I am asian) and sorry for the very basic/newbee questions?

Thanks.

garylo

5:50 pm on Apr 2, 2003 (gmt 0)

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1. Do I need to submit these pages (one page of content per day) to Google?

If the site is already indexed by Google and the new page is linked from an indexed page then no need to submit, Google will find and index that page.

dwilson

5:52 pm on Apr 2, 2003 (gmt 0)

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1. Do I need to submit these pages (one page of content per day) to google?

2. Do I need to link these pages to the root and if yes do I need to link back from root to these pages?

3. If one page per day ( means 365 pages per year), how to organize the links to these pages from the root (index.html).

4. What is the purpose of building these pages?

1. No, you just need to link to the new page from a page (preferably not too deep down) that is already being indexed.

2. The page needs at least one link to it. Linking back toward the top is a matter of preference, but I nearly always do it. If a visitor lands on that new page, I want to make it easy for him to navigate elsewhere in my site.

3. The organization depends on your subject.
Christian widgets/ Hindu widgets / Muslim widgets
widget history / widget tips / widget books
etc.

4. 3 purposes.
A. More valuable content means there's more information for your visitors. It gives them more value (theoretically).
B. Because of A, Google likes lots of content. So the more you have, the better a site Google will think you have (other things being equal).
C. More articles end up containing more words and phrases people search on. You'll end up getting traffic from people searching for things other than your main keyphrases.

<added> Garylo, you beat me to it on #1</added>

Nick_W

5:54 pm on Apr 2, 2003 (gmt 0)

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>from an indexed page

Or any other page already in google or linked to a page in google.

Forget the root thing, it's a red herring. Have a look at Theme Pyramid [searchengineworld.com].

Nick

alvazulu

6:08 pm on Apr 2, 2003 (gmt 0)

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1. No, you just need to link to the new page from a page (preferably not too deep down) that is already being indexed.

If the root is which is indexed, then I need to link those new pages to the root.


3. The organization depends on your subject.
Christian widgets/ Hindu widgets / Muslim widgets
widget history / widget tips / widget books
etc.

As every pages have different topic (keyword), then there are 365 links in the root page. Beside it does not look nice, dont you think it will be considered spam.

So the more you have, the better a site Google will think you have (other things being equal).
C. More articles end up containing more words and phrases people search on. You'll end up getting traffic from people searching for things other than your main keyphrases.

It means that all those pages should be indexed first. How google know I have a lot of content if the pages is not indexed? And how people will find the pages with keyphrases if those pages is not indexed? So, instead of waiting google find these pages from the links inside the site, why not just manually submit every pages to google?
Is it spam, if we submit one page per day with different content and keywords but from the same domain?

Thanks

Nick_W

6:11 pm on Apr 2, 2003 (gmt 0)

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>why not just manually submit every pages to google?

Because even the Google reps (GoogleGuy to be precise) say that this is a waste of time.

Nick

alvazulu

6:24 pm on Apr 2, 2003 (gmt 0)

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>why not just manually submit every pages to google?
>Because even the Google reps (GoogleGuy to be precise) >say that this is a waste of time.

I think submit one page per day it does not take a lot of time. The point is will I be punished (considered spam)? And which one is more efective, in terms of how fast is indexed, by manually submitted or wait untill it is crawled?

Thanks

dwilson

6:28 pm on Apr 2, 2003 (gmt 0)

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point is will I be punished (considered spam)?

I think so.

For speed of inclusion, it doesn't matter. Some say there's no need even to submit a new site to Google as long as you get external links ... though I do submit new sites.

Nick_W

6:32 pm on Apr 2, 2003 (gmt 0)

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alvazulu you're missing my point ;)

It does not work.

Google says it does not work, serious search engine optimizers know that it's a waste of their time and there are far, far faster ways of doing it. -> get links! either from your own inexed pages, or better still, other peoples.

Submitting to the SE's might have been effective in 1997 but it's no longer even last on the SEO 'TODO' list.

Just don't bother, spend the time doing somthing that will help your site, like put a new page up...

Nick

alvazulu

6:52 pm on Apr 2, 2003 (gmt 0)

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>alvazulu you're missing my point ;)

;)

>Google says it does not work

Why, is it considered spam?

>serious search engine optimizers know that it's a waste >of their time and there are far, far faster ways of doing >it. get links! either from your own inexed pages, or >better still, other peoples.

Far, far, far faster than...... submitting the pages manually. So it is allowed, it does work and not considered spammed, it just more slower than links from indexed / other people pages.

Nick_W

6:54 pm on Apr 2, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Sorry but, I dont' think it's actually possible for me to make my point any clearer. Guess you'll just have to work it out for yourself.

Good luck with it ;)

Nick

jeremy goodrich

7:04 pm on Apr 2, 2003 (gmt 0)

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If Google relied on their 'submit a site' feature to learn about new urls, how effective would their search engine be?

Think about that for a moment. Most of the people that submit are pushing a commercial site, and therefore, are probably doing some SEO that Google thinks is a NO-NO.

Bottom line is they HAVE to crawl the web, and they do, vigorously, to build their index.

Inktomi does this, so does FAST / ASK / and every other major search engine. You can't build an index on 'submit your url here' it's a myth.

However, if it makes you happy, by all means -> submit away. :)

tedster

7:23 pm on Apr 2, 2003 (gmt 0)

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You can think of the "Submit Your Site" box as a vestigial organ. It's just the remains, the leftovers, of something that used to be important -- but now, it has no importance at all.

Google and other search engines discovered that well over 90% of what came into that box was garbage. Automatic submissions of pages they already index anyway, new automatically generated pages that were worthless, spamming attempts of all kinds and colors, etc.

So it comes down to a business decision -- how do they want to use their crawling resources. The web is a a HUGE place and they're trying to put together a great search engine, month after month after month.

The pages that come into Google on that "submit" link don't help them build a great search engine -- so those URLs fall to the bottom of the list of "things Googlebot might do". And most of the time, probably all of the time these days, Googlebot is just too busy doing things that REALLY help Google do its job. So Googlebot never gets to the bottom of the list.

If your pages do have inbound links, Googlebot will find them on it's normal crawl. If you don't have any inbound links, then the Google algorithm would not keep you in the index, even if you do make it into the index somehow. The "web" is called a "web" because it's all hooked up into one big network, one big web. There's no place here for complete loner pages.

So even if "submit your site" did work to get your pages crawled some month when Googlebot had a lot of spare time, those pages would fall out of the index almost immediately unless they have backlinks. And in that case, you wouldn't need to submit anyway!

alvazulu

6:41 am on Apr 3, 2003 (gmt 0)

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>Google and other search engines discovered that well over >90% of what came into that box was garbage. Automatic >submissions of pages they already index anyway, new >automatically generated pages that were worthless, >spamming attempts of all kinds and colors, etc.

Do you think this kind of pages can not be found in the linked pages which is crawled by google? How google determine that pages which is crawled is not garbage and have a better quality than which submitted via the box?

>If your pages do have inbound links, Googlebot will find >them on it's normal crawl. If you don't have any inbound >links, then the Google algorithm would not keep you in >the index, even if you do make it into the index somehow. >The "web" is called a "web" because it's all hooked up >into one big network, one big web. There's no place here >for complete loner pages.

My opinion, internet/web is interconnections of the networks, not sites or pages. That is why we need a portal/search-engines to list "loner pages/sites". It is just since google introduce interlink between sites/pages as one of important factor to determine the ranking, the whole community think the whole sites/pages MUST link each other. And since then we found many sites/pages is put as link in web pages "just for the sake of the linkage" required by google.

garylo

8:43 am on Apr 3, 2003 (gmt 0)

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It is just since Google introduce interlink between sites/pages as one of important factor to determine the ranking

The whole PageRank logic is based on the assumption that the importance of a site is determined by the number of sites that link to it, thus a site that nobody links to it is not important and have no place in their index. Does it make sense? the success of Google is the answer to that.

alvazulu

11:26 am on Apr 3, 2003 (gmt 0)

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The whole PageRank logic is based on the assumption that the importance of a site is determined by the number of sites that link to it, thus a site that nobody links to it is not important and have no place in their index. Does it make sense?

So to make the google think that your site is important, you now keep adding links to whatever sites/pages. So tobe successful with google you need to create one page or maybe one site everyday and link to your site.

heini

11:41 am on Apr 3, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Alvazulu, like it or not: a page which has no links pointing to it does not exist for Google.

You can submit such pages successfully to other search engines, if you pay them. Inktomi, Altavista and Fast have programs, where you pay for each single page to get indexed. In those programs your pages do not need incoming links.

engine

11:57 am on Apr 3, 2003 (gmt 0)

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