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Google results with no search string...

what determines the results?

         

yetanotheruser

6:51 pm on Mar 23, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Hey,

I've just accidentally discovered a way of getting results from Google with no query string..

I did for a moment think that this might be the google index in PR order, but it appears not to be.. :( .. quite..

Anyone else seen this same thing? Does a'bdy know about this already? - Any ideas what makes the results appear in the order they do, since there are no search terms..

I haven't actually said how .. cos I'm not sure I should? Should I?

FensterNI

7:11 pm on Mar 23, 2003 (gmt 0)

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what is the use of results with no query string? sorry I am lost!

David

John_Caius

8:59 pm on Mar 23, 2003 (gmt 0)

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There are previous threads on the subject of searching for "http://" but I can't find them as that's a pretty hard keyword to find with a site search engine! Anyway, searching for that gives you what many believe to be a list of sites in PR order. Is that what you're talking about?

What's the use - well seeing a list of sites in absolute PR order would enable you to analyse the factors behind calculation PR without the confounding factor of the particular search term used.

yetanotheruser

9:36 am on Mar 24, 2003 (gmt 0)

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John,

I wondered if there where other threads, but not sure what to look for... Soz if it's a FAQ,

David,

John is quite right, I had assumed at first (given the first three results which are all PR10+) that this would be a list of 'google' in PR order - which I assume a lot of people would find quite fascinating..

It appears however that it isn't - which leads my mind to the possibly more intreaguing question of 'what is it' ... There must be some part of the algo producing and ordering the list - thing is if you remove the most obvious seed of the search (the query string) you may be left with whatever remains, in a far more naked fasion than usual..

What I don't get is that this is a pretty obvious (and _accidental_) find - are there others out there that know about this who are just keeping quiet? ;)

coconutz

9:58 am on Mar 24, 2003 (gmt 0)

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>>There are previous threads on the subject of searching for "http://"

Previous threads that I could find:

search "http://" in google.com [webmasterworld.com]
database of PR 9 & 10 sites [webmasterworld.com]

John_Caius

10:48 am on Mar 24, 2003 (gmt 0)

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yetanotheruser - are you searching for "http://" or something else? If it's not a specific search then it should be fine to post here.

yetanotheruser

10:59 am on Mar 24, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Hmm.. well I never knew you could do that! .. Wonder if I'll ever get in the top ten for 'http' ;)

John, - it's not a specific search term as such.. And interestingly it's not the same set of results as 'http'.. but quite similar.. The same big players at the top, but also quite a few odd ones thrown in.

Not sure what to do - can't really publish the results, and not sure whether it's appropriate to publicise the 'how' ..? There must be someone else who knows! It was a genuine and easy accident..

Receptional Andy

11:22 am on Mar 24, 2003 (gmt 0)



Why the mystery yetanotheruser? ;)

You say
>quite a few odd ones thrown in

To me this suggests that your search includes something that is indexed by Google but is common to many (every?) website. This would mean that the big PR players will be top, but sites with a high frequency of what you searched for beat other high PR sites.

So what's the term then? :)

Also, if you are searching for 'stop words' bear in mind that Google results for queries that include stop words are different from those that don't (see
[google.co.uk...] )

[anyone know why 'allinurl: www' returns no results?]

le_gber

12:09 pm on Mar 24, 2003 (gmt 0)

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anyone know why 'allinurl: www' returns no results?

be low the search box from the SERP is explained why. The 'www' is not included in the search.

try 'alinurl: "www"' and it gives you results (not sure of the ranking though - it's time I install the googlebar! ;)

leo

Receptional Andy

12:12 pm on Mar 24, 2003 (gmt 0)



>>be low the search box

(sheepishly) thanks ;)

The results with quotes are pretty much the same as a search for http:// (slightly different rankings) - looks like PR order or thereabouts.

yetanotheruser

1:26 pm on Mar 24, 2003 (gmt 0)

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(very sheepishly) - Doh!

Monday morning and light dawns on marble head..

The reason for the mystery - cos I thought I'd actually found something I shouldn't have - but oooh no! I'm just being thick! ;) ...

It wasn't a special search term, it was searching for '' with the API.. but... . perl was inserting '0' in as the search term - hence I was getting (slightly odd) results... have checked and these are the results I was seeing [google.com]

dammit - thought I'd really found something..

oh well - if anyone wants to know which websites do well for the search term "0" - I've got all the answers ;)

Think I'll go back to bed now.

Receptional Andy

1:36 pm on Mar 24, 2003 (gmt 0)



Just to keep this thread open for a while...

Try these 2 searches:

[google.com...]
(blue AND widgets)

[google.com...]
(blue widgets)

Although Google say "The "AND" operator is unnecessary -- we include all search terms by default", the search including AND searches for the exact phrase, while the search without looks for both the words anywhere on the page. So Google's message is pretty misleading. Shouldn't they change it to 'searched for the phrase "blue widgets"' or something?

doc_z

2:27 pm on Mar 24, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Yes, they should say that they changed 'blue AND widgets' into 'blue * widgets', otherwise it is confusing.