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Expired domains: Conclusion, followed by some questions

Followup on Googles recent switch regarding expired domain names and rankings

         

oLeon

1:47 pm on Mar 16, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I think itīs a good idea to put together the facts about the expired domains issue. On the one hand the facts, we may know for sure due to the input from GG, and on the other hand some questions due to a lack of clearness resp answering.

1. You can get a old domain, but you won't get credit for any pre-existing links, i.e. it won't help to try to buy an expired domain to get the old PageRank.
2. A former penalized domain can reindexed again without banning.
3. Just changing your whois or registrar wouldn't cause a problem.
4. There are used multiple sources of data stretching back to 2000 in order to cross-check.
5. If a domain expires on a Tuesday and the renew happens on the following Friday, this shouldnīt cause a problem, either. (If so - please contact GG.)
6. If domains you first own personally are being moved to your company, and therefor a changing of the whois data will happen, this shouldnīt cause a problem.

Letīs collect some unanswered questions about this topic:

1. What is precisely meant by 'expired' in this context? Most people in the domain name industry use it to mean 'past the original expiry date' but others mean actually 'deleted'?
2. You have a site with a PR 5, then you want to sell the site. As long as the domain does not expire this is no problem for the next owner - is this case a kind of backdoor?
Or the opposite: you want to buy a site/domain with the same content and topic you provide as well. After getting it, you cannot receive more links from directories or portals, because they have already included the link to your domain. (No possibility to change these ones.)
3. What would stop somebody re-registering a domain with the old owners name and address etc. but using their own email? And, if the IP remains unchanged in this case, no expiring can be detected?
4. The company changes its name or adress by reasons like ownership changes (e.g. due to buying out), hence the whois changes as well. A problem for the former domain?
5. The company changes its name or adress, but it still uses the same IP and server, i.e. by request for the older domain only the newer one occurs. The old domain still exists, and the links to it, too. These links wonīt be counted for the new domain. Correct?

misja

4:49 pm on Mar 16, 2003 (gmt 0)

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To answer a few questions: Google probably checks the status fields.

A domain is set to be deleted if the STATUS field of the domain is changed by the registrar from REDEMPTIONPERIOD or REGISTRAR-HOLD to PENDINGDELETE (long after the domain has expired).

A domain with status PENDINGDELETE cannot be renewed by anyone so it has expired, the domain is actually deleted after 5 days.

davemarks

5:05 pm on Mar 16, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Sorry to go slightly off topic here, I was gonna create a new thread but wasn't sure where to do so

Are you suggesting that changes to the domains whois info could affect the results in Google?

I have a site, which we have got up to 2nd place on google for a paticular phrase. We moved servers (and therfore updated the name servers / ip) recently the site has now fallen to 4th place

Could this be related? and if so s it likely to move back up with the next crawl

Apologies again and thanks

jomaxx

5:45 pm on Mar 16, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Dave, what has been suggested is that changing whois info will NOT have any effect - especially just nameserver details which change all the time.

>> 2. A former penalized domain can [be] reindexed again without banning.
I never read any statements to this effect.

oLeon

6:13 pm on Mar 16, 2003 (gmt 0)

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@jomaxx
I interpreted the reply
no. 19 from GG in this thread [webmasterworld.com] like I decsribed.

Did I misunderstand it...?

davemarks

6:41 pm on Mar 16, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Sorry, my fault... I think i misunderstood what was being asked :(

jomaxx

11:49 pm on Mar 16, 2003 (gmt 0)

WebmasterWorld Senior Member 10+ Year Member



oLeon, I'll go along with that partway. But it doesn't look like this is automatic; Googleguy suggests writing and explaining the situation in order to *maybe* get a penalty lifted.

oLeon

12:09 pm on Mar 17, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Yes, thatīs correct.
I donīt mentioned it because I thought itīs more important to gather the possiblities.

If GoogleGuy may have a look into this thread:
could you answer the questions I asked?