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communitynews

1:51 am on Mar 14, 2003 (gmt 0)

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What does google want from sources to be in their News feature? XML (if so, what specification) or just plain HTML? We write 2000 unique news stories a week from small markets covering local issues. Is this something google is looking for? Most of these stories end up in the google web search but only after the dance and the news is a month late by then. I've tried making google news aware of us via email but I get no response.

danny

2:51 am on Mar 14, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I just got this back from them:

We are not accepting sites where all articles are produced by one
individual. We are looking for sources with current news written by a
staff of reporters.

Which is fair enough, I guess.

communitynews

2:59 am on Mar 14, 2003 (gmt 0)

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All articles are NOT produced by one individual" in our case. We provide our service to 26 different publishers that have between 5 and 100 employees each. They publish community newspapers in print and we convert their content to the web.

martinibuster

3:11 am on Mar 14, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Hi communitynews,

The answers to your questions are on the Google news page. Scroll to the bottom and click on the link that says "about".

That entire page is all about the news page and how they get their news, etc.

In fact, most questions about search engines can be answered in this manner. Just look for the "about" link at the bottom of the page.

communitynews

3:28 am on Mar 14, 2003 (gmt 0)

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martinibuster,

I have read that and I've sent several emails in the past as they direct but I've gotten no reply. I just sent another and at least I got an auto response acknowledging the email this time.

daroz

3:44 am on Mar 14, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I started out really liking Google News, but I think I have the opposite impression -- they'll let anyone in.

There's a local TV station with a website where they publish the text of their newscasts. (As stories, etc...)

Unfortunately they're generally regarded as borderline incompitent. (They are the lowest rated news -- even below the local FOX affiliate)

(The station is in NY State -- not the city, but elsewhere)

I finally said enough when I found them headlined for the Utah-based Elizabeth Smart case.

The news piece size: 2 paragraphs, and by the other accounts captured by Google news -- wrong. (She wasn't found in 'poor' health, every report I saw listed her in 'good' health.)

Moral of the story: Be careful what you wish for.

martinibuster

4:07 am on Mar 14, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Please mail your ideas for news sources to news-feedback@google.com.

That's all you can do. The news crawler is like freshbot. The newsbot reads your headlines (not your title tag, your headline) and saves it as a keyword phrase. The algo is set to drop you after, I think, 72 hours. I can't remember anymore.

I know because I used to work at a semi-major news outlet and used to sneak in a good keyword phrase every once in awhile, and I used to count how long it would pop up in the serps.

What it boils down to is you have to submit it like G says then walk away.

But I know how you feel and can sympathize. G can sometimes leave you feeling like Charlie the Tuna ("We don't want tuna with great taste, we want tuna that tastes great.")

:) Y

communitynews

4:27 am on Mar 14, 2003 (gmt 0)

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The newsbot reads your headlines (not your title tag, your headline)

Martinibuster, how is the headline identified? Is that the H1 tag?

martinibuster

5:10 am on Mar 14, 2003 (gmt 0)

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You're asking the right questions.

My suggestion is that you do searches on Google, and when you see a news item pop up in the results, to click on the link and study the news page, try to figure out WHY a particular page is there.

communitynews

3:36 pm on Mar 14, 2003 (gmt 0)

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study the news page, try to figure out WHY a particular page is there

That's a good idea, we'll do that and structure our pages as needed. We still have the problem with getting newsbot (or whatever it's name is) to visit. Well, we'll do as you suggest and continue to bring our sites to the attention to google through email periodicly. Unless someone else has a better idea.

jomaxx

4:19 pm on Mar 14, 2003 (gmt 0)

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You might want to look at getting into other news feeds like Yahoo's and Moreover's (if you're not already). That may bring you to the attention of Google, and the experience should help you get your ducks in a row for dealing with them.

communitynews

9:22 pm on Mar 14, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I've been researching RSS (Really Simple Syndication) and I wonder if anyone knows if this is what google uses for their News feature?

RBuzz

3:17 am on Mar 15, 2003 (gmt 0)

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You mean is Google spidering only those sources with RSS feeds? I seriously doubt it. For example, I'm fairly certain that BusinessWire does NOT offer RSS feeds, and Google spiders them.

Having said that, there are other good reasons to have RSS feeds.