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Google Premium Sponsorship

How does it work and what do you think about it?

         

JackieLane

1:09 pm on Jul 10, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I have a few questions about how Google's Premium Sponsorship works (okay more than a few--sorry!). How are these text banners ranked: is there a minimum bid to get up there and if so what is that? Then, do you simply bid at least that min. bid/outbid #2 banner to get up in those spaces? Do the Google AdWords get bumped up in those spaces if there is only one? Also, how are these ranked (same as AdWords: CTR and bid price?)
I apologize for bombarding y'all with questions! I am very interested in the Premium area and would love to hear what you guys think about it in general...what was the return on your investments if you have delved into those upper regions of Google?
Thanks a bunch in advance!

Slade

1:22 pm on Jul 10, 2003 (gmt 0)

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From what I've read, premium sponsorships are nearly extinct.

[webmasterworld.com...]

Shak

1:33 pm on Jul 10, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Google Premium Listings = R.I.P

afaik, NO new premium listings campaigns are being accepted, and ALL current campaigns are due to expire 31st December 2003 (at the latest)

[webmasterworld.com...] is here a snapshot of what/why it was so good :(

Shak

JackieLane

1:42 pm on Jul 10, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Wow. Thanks a million guys. I am surprised though. It seems like Google is not being very open about the Premium Sponsorships...you'd think that it would be a big $$-maker for them. Oh well! Thanks again!

hannamyluv

2:56 pm on Jul 10, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I'm sure it was, just not as good a money maker as adwords ;)

eWhisper

3:19 pm on Jul 10, 2003 (gmt 0)

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When we considered the Premium Sponsorhip program on Google, we looked at the CTR rate, number of impressions, and overall cost, etc. These numbers came to $0.57 per click. The AdWords program for this exact same phrase runs around $0.75/click for the top position.

It seems Google knew what they were doing. They're making more money by not running Premium Sponsorship, and allowing the little guy to jump in without tossing down 30k at a time.

JackieLane

3:40 pm on Jul 10, 2003 (gmt 0)

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That's really interesting and neat research you've done eWhisper. I wonder what will happen to the banner text ads after 2003...will Google only have the AdWords text ads along the side at that point and leave the top listing to the organic?
Thanks for the input!

Hawkgirl

4:52 pm on Jul 10, 2003 (gmt 0)

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They're making more money by not running Premium Sponsorship

I still don't quite get that, though, because it seemed like most of the time they double-served companies. If Ace Widgets ran both a premium ad and an Adwords ad, Google should make more money than if the company just ran one ad through Adwords.

What am I missing?

hannamyluv

8:25 pm on Jul 10, 2003 (gmt 0)

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The top two adwords will move up to the former Premium spots. It does make more sense money wise for google. Now there will be alot more in the way of bid wars for those top two & three spots. In the old way, there were 3 ads and 2 premiums, the companies didn't fight as much for the spots since they are all in good locals. But, with the change, there will be fewer spot, same number of advertisers. Only top 3 get sent to partners AND only top 2 will be across the top. You bet they will up those bids now.

Furmanov

9:30 pm on Jul 10, 2003 (gmt 0)

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<quote>afaik, NO new premium listings campaigns are being accepted</quote>

Shak, this is a little bit incorrect. They do accept new Premium Advertisers from countries other than US, UK and few other english-speaking countries. They will accept new campaign if you are let's say from Albania or Somali (I believe this is true for many european countries as well, but I don't have the list). I believe they are not going to do any real check so actually any webmaster can get his Premium Sponsorship campaign running, the only thing you must do is to mention that your company's headoffice is actualy in Ukraine or Czech republic and provide some country-specific contact info. If I remember correctly they will be accepting new Premium Sponsorship advertisers till the end of September 2003 (but this I'm not sure about, I don't remember what deadline they specified) and will run your campaign till the the of the year 2003.

The source of the information is Google sales people

Shak

9:40 pm on Jul 10, 2003 (gmt 0)

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whether your company is in Somalia or Ukraine, will you be allowed to buy inventory on a CPM basis in the UK and USA, or only in "those" countries such as Ukraine?

Shak

Furmanov

10:02 pm on Jul 10, 2003 (gmt 0)

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cannot be 100% sure but it didn't seem to matter where your product physically is

the dialogue was approximately like

me: would you accept a new premium sponsorship campaign?
google: it depends... what country you are in?
m: we are an international company and have branches in the usa and Hungary
g: since you are in Hungary we will accept it, let's go ahead

so if someone needs premium sponsorship badly I'd give it a try, not sure what country-verification process would be like, but I don't think this would be real difficult to pretend you are from Hungary/Moldova or wherever else

Shak

10:05 pm on Jul 10, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I would NOT advise anyone to lie to Google when setting up a campaign with Google Premium listings.

I am pretty sure that they agreed with you for those specific countries, however i will be checking 1st thing in the morning and reporting back (as UK office is closed).

Shak

Furmanov

10:05 pm on Jul 10, 2003 (gmt 0)

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oh, and I also asked would they use some kind of ip-based or browser-language based geo-targeting for such ads (meaning they would not show it to UK or US users)

they said "no geo-targeting at all, anyone will see it"

Furmanov

10:16 pm on Jul 10, 2003 (gmt 0)

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we didn't have to lie to google cause we indeed are an intl. company with offices in the usa and some other country :) and there are plenty of business like ours so i hope some people will find this info helpful

in my specific case the google sales person suggested against using PS since the search-terms we were targeting wouldn't give us enough clickthroughs... no problem, we are learning to use adwords and happy with it so far

but since our competitors used premium sponsorship (still using and will be using till the end of 2003) i'd really appreciate if someone who used PS could share his experience
what was the ctr and roi like vs. serps and adwords?

woop01

10:19 pm on Jul 10, 2003 (gmt 0)

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When will adwords ads start getting bumped automatically? I know it happens every now and then when your bid is high enough but are you guys saying that eventually it will happen regardless of bid?

JoeHouse

3:06 am on Jul 11, 2003 (gmt 0)

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can someone tell me where I can get more information on Google Premium Listing information?

hannamyluv

12:53 pm on Jul 11, 2003 (gmt 0)

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are you guys saying that eventually it will happen regardless of bid

It's not really the bid that gets you up there, more of a bid X CTR. For example, I have one ad that I bid only .05 for but as I am the only person on the keyword, I have quite a high CTR. My ad is up there. It's not happening across the board yet but I think as the PS gets phased out, the emphasis will be placed more and more on the CTR and more of the top 2 ranking ads (which theoretically have the highest CTR for the money they are willing to pay) will be moved up.

Furmanov

7:46 pm on Jul 11, 2003 (gmt 0)

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<b>can someone tell me where I can get more information on Google Premium Listing information? </b>

non-english google versions still have info on GPS
[google.fr...]
google.co.uk had it a couple of weeks ago but I've just checked and it doesn't seem to have this info anymore

actually the standard google information would tell you nothing except for the "spending minimum"

speak to google sales-staff directly, they are pretty fast to respond

hannamyluv

8:39 pm on Jul 11, 2003 (gmt 0)

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speak to google sales-staff directly, they are pretty fast to respond

As long as you aren't in the USA.

eWhisper

3:00 pm on Jul 14, 2003 (gmt 0)

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It's not happening across the board yet but I think as the PS gets phased out, the emphasis will be placed more and more on the CTR and more of the top 2 ranking ads (which theoretically have the highest CTR for the money they are willing to pay) will be moved up.

Our highly targeted ads get a low CTR when they are in position 1-2 (anything at the top of the page) and high CTRs if they are on the side of the page, where our general ads get the highest CTR when they are at the top of the page.

I think that people got use to scrolling down past the banner ads at the top of the page and ignoring the first two sponsored listings that it's still happening, but as the side listings are next to the natural results, they are more visible. I forget the number, but the premium sponsor program had a CTR around 3%, where that's a completely unacceptible CTR for the Google AdWords program.

I wish there was a way to easily bid where you come in the top listing for the side panel as that seems to be the best CTR for the majority of our highly targeted ads.