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Question about bidding up keywords

How does it afffect the person ranked in front of you.

         

vphoner

6:19 pm on Aug 27, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Suppose you are bidding on the word WIDGETS. You are ranked #3, paying .25 per click and bidding .35 max per click. And now suppose that you would like to get into the #2 slot. You raise your max bid from .35 to .45.

Now suppose that you don't move. And are still in the #3 rank.
Your cost is still .25 per click.

My question is, now that you raised your max by .10, does it affect the #2 bidder that is above you. And if it does, how much more does he have to pay? If he has to pay more, is this not a way for the bidder below to inflict higher costs on those above him without incurring more expense himself?

I have been curious about getting an answer to this question. Any insights?

ronmcd

6:40 pm on Aug 27, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Well it depends, his clickthrough (and "quality") could be so good hes actually paying less than you anyway.

But if everything in your accounts were equal, if you keep increasing your max cpc I think his cost will increase until the cpc x quality x clickthrough calculation means you jump above him, at that point his cpc will drop down to whatever it needs to be to beat the next position below him.

vphoner

7:27 pm on Aug 27, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Ok, so what you are saying is that the .10 increse in your max will affect the guy above you even if you do not move and pay no more. Seems kind of odd that you could inflict financial pain on the guy above you without paying more yourself.

Sujan

7:52 pm on Aug 27, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Seems kind of odd that you could inflict financial pain on the guy above you without paying more yourself.

No, this system is called "auction". The fact is that you are willing to pay .10 more - if you competitor was not you would get #1. But because he is willing to pay, say, .5 more than your highest, he stays #1 but has to pay more.

Jan

robertskelton

1:51 am on Aug 28, 2005 (gmt 0)

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While it is possible to "inflict pain" using this method, it can easily backfire on you if they respond in kind.

It is important to take the max CPC literally.
Whatever amount you put in, you should be willing to pay.

If you bid $50 to make the person above you pay $50.01, you could wake up the next day to find that you are the one who has paid $50 per click.

Rob.

vphoner

2:19 am on Aug 28, 2005 (gmt 0)

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The reason I ask is I think this kind of punishment is being played out on me. The person below me may resent me being in their position. At times, I have reduced my bid by one cent to drop behind them to give them a taste of their own medicine. Then they usually reduce their bids. Has anyone else seen these games being played?

robertskelton

2:48 am on Aug 28, 2005 (gmt 0)

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If you are involved in PPC affiliate marketing, then this behaviour is quite common. Usually it is the result of one person making some easy money passively, and someone else wanting it too.

Sujan

11:40 am on Aug 28, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Has anyone else seen these games being played?

Yes! And I think it's the fun part of the work... If I cann afford it I try to compete, if not I leave him #1 and take #2 - quite easy.

Jan

vphoner

2:00 pm on Aug 28, 2005 (gmt 0)

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What other games has everyone seen in the bidding wars? Any winning strategies? I have a guy right behind me, I back off a couple pennies, then he pays the piper, then he must back off and I am ahead of him again. I guess he did not like the high prices.

Basically I am not trying to be #1, but find a nice place where you can get a decent amount of inexpensive clicks. Whether that #1 or #5 depends on the keyword.