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Bidding Based on Cost Per Conversion

How feasible would it be for Adwords to do this?

         

woop01

1:55 pm on Aug 5, 2005 (gmt 0)

WebmasterWorld Senior Member 10+ Year Member



While going through the process of updating our bids based on conversion rates for each keyword I starting wondering why Adwords doesn't have an automated option to take care of this. Allowing advertisers to input their maximum cost per conversion and then adjusting the bids based on the actual conversion rates.

What I had in mind is a system where an advertiser could input the maximum cost per conversion their ROI can tolerate. Then Adwords could automatically increase/decrease the maximum bid based on the actual cost per conversion statistics.

It's something we already do ourselves but something like this would save advertisers a significant amount of time. Am I just dreaming or does this sound like a feasible option?

fclark

2:16 pm on Aug 5, 2005 (gmt 0)

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check out yahoo search optimizer. it's exaclty what you describe -- but for yahoo paid click. i believe you can set up other campaign systems throug it as well.

Soothware

7:47 pm on Aug 5, 2005 (gmt 0)

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We're in the process of developing a suite of testing and optimization tools for search advertisers, of which CPA optimization will be a part. The initial focus will help to optimize not only against a defined CPA, but also on how to optimally allocate a fixed budget among the different options & networks based on ROI, automated tools for running tests, doing day-parting, and a number of other neat items.

I'm interested in Webmaster World's feedback on the topics:
1) What are the best 3rd party applications?
2) What's missing from the best apps?
3) Are there any areas where most/all of the applications are falling short?
4) Are there areas where you spend too much time, and that should be automated?

[edited by: skibum at 6:19 am (utc) on Aug. 9, 2005]
[edit reason] please don't solicit in the forums [/edit]

shorebreak

3:14 am on Aug 7, 2005 (gmt 0)

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[My comments inserted below.- Shorebreak]

"We're in the process of developing a suite of testing and optimization tools for search advertisers, of which CPA optimization will be a part. [There are 20 companies or more already offering that, the VC $$ are already being splattered left & right] The initial focus will help to optimize not only against a defined CPA, but also on how to optimally allocate a fixed budget [4-6 firms already doing that, 1-2 of them doing it well, the rest are doing it by hand] among the different options & networks based on ROI [many firms doing this, with varying levels of automation. Success is the goal, automation a design goal not easily achieved], automated tools for running tests, doing day-parting [day-parting isn't always a good thing, I'll leave it to you to find out where you *don't* want to try it], and a number of other neat items.
I'm interested in Webmaster World's feedback on the topics:
1) What are the best 3rd party applications?
2) What's missing from the best apps?
3) Are there any areas where most/all of the applications are falling short?
4) Are there areas where you spend too much time, and that should be automated?

[You should go to SES SJ next week if you're not dissuaded by the following statement: you are very late to the search mgmt game, close to $100M has been invested by VC's into this, and by the time you finish what you're building and scale it in the real-world, others will be several steps ahead. That's another way of saying, unless your company has a larger strategic reason to be in keyword mgmt, I wouldn't focus your efforts there.]

[edited by: skibum at 6:20 am (utc) on Aug. 9, 2005]

Soothware

1:40 am on Aug 8, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Shorebreak, you're right. Truly delivering on automated optimization is the key to success.

We can, and therefore expect to be able to show beta testers a very significant ROI improvement.

Thanks also for your comments on the state of the industry. While I agree that there's a lot of money being thrown at the sector, I think that the existing "best solutions" aren't good enough.