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Wildhare

2:44 pm on May 1, 2003 (gmt 0)

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HI. I am a marketing manager who is relatively new to the website marketing end of things. I have just been given a small budget and been charged with increasing traffic to our website (which I also wrote). I am considering using Google Adwords and just found your webmaster world and joined. I have spent the last hour reviewing different posts. Our website is for a service we provide to large companies so I'm not making an actual sale on our site but trying to get people to view our service offerings and then request more info. I wanted to see what the most popular keyword searches people are using but don't know where to find that info. Does Google offer that for their site? Does anyone have tips for a novice since I'm reading so much I'm getting confused. Thanks in advance for any help.
Jane Duke

vibgyor79

3:07 pm on May 1, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Jane -

All you need to do is know ONE keyword/key phrase related to your business. From that keyword, you can find out numerous others. This is how I would go about keyword research.

1) Enter the main keyword in the Google Keyword Suggestion Box (https://adwords.google.com/select/main?cmd=KeywordSandbox) and hit the SHOW MATCHING QUERIES tab.

2) Note down all the keywords that are displayed under "Your ads will show for these searches" in a XL sheet.

3) Enter the same keyword in the Overture keyword suggestion tool [inventory.overture.com] and note down all the keywords in your XL sheet.

4) Google keyword suggestion tool displays a number of related keywords under "Here are similar keywords you may want to add". Note down these keywords in notepad.

5) Insert each of the "related keywords" back into Google and Overture keyword suggestion tool (that is, repeat steps 1 to 4).

Within half an hour, you will have a large number of keywords.

Wildhare

3:20 pm on May 1, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Vibgyor79,
Thanks for the advice. I have spent 3 weeks reading and trying to figure out what to do. Got lucky and found this forum and you helped me in minutes.
I am so grateful.

vibgyor79

4:07 pm on May 1, 2003 (gmt 0)

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You are welcome :)
I am looking forward to your participation in other forums - we sure could use your marketing experience.

Coming back to topic, you may want to take a look at WordTracker.com after you run out of keywords related to your business.

Wildhare

6:15 pm on May 1, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I saw worktracker.com in my quest this week. And it was mentioned frequently in the posts on this site. I'm starting to feel like I've been searching for the holy grail in this keyword, adword, how do I get me website up in the rankings, etc. etc. You get the idea.

As for marketing - whatever I've been doing this year has been working so that is why they have given the website to me. I just pulled off a PMI conference win, so they are hoping I keep the touch going.

Nothing like flying blind. But seriously, anything I can offer help with - point my way.

webwoman

6:24 pm on May 1, 2003 (gmt 0)

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You can also check out the keywords being used by your competition if its viewable when you view their source code. Also, check your weblogs. I have had good success in combining words that current searchers use to find my sites, to come up with 3,4 word phrases that I would never have thought of.

Alta Vista also lists many additional related keyword suggestions at the top of the page when you search under your main keyword.

Good luck and happy hunting! :)

Wildhare

7:48 pm on May 1, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Thanks Webwoman.
I have a list of our comps metatags and have used that as a basis for my tags.
This has been a real learning experience for some one who doesn't know the meaning of html. :-)
I'm not that bad but I don't have a clue how to design a web page or write code. Thankfully I don't have to know yet.
Jane

Shak

7:53 pm on May 1, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Welcome to Webmasterworld.

Vibgyor as always has given you the best tips around, once you get into the flow of things it will be very easy.

Apart from Adwords, you should also look at Overture, as they have some serious traffic partners such as MSN etc etc.

Shak

hummer

4:15 pm on May 2, 2003 (gmt 0)



I will second the use of Altavista's Prisma to find new keywords.

An additional clever use of Altavista's Prisma is to use their country specific search engine to get additional keywords that are country specific.

For example, if you search for "bed and breakfast" in
[altavista.com...]

you get suggested words like "motels"

but if you search for the same phrase in

[nz.altavista.com...]

you don't get "motels" (a more american term), but "homestay" and "farmstays" which seem to be more of a kiwi term.

And if you search in

[uk.altavista.com...]

you get "guest homes".

Also, don't forget to bid for both the singular and plural keywords.

The overture and google keyword suggestion tools didn't help me as much.

Wildhare

5:13 pm on May 2, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Ok - since I haven't even set up the ad I guess I should just set up one and see what I need to do as I go through it. I'm guessing from reading various posts that I have to decide what individual keywords or adwords that I want my ad to appear when someone does a search - am I on the right track?

I'm also concerned about how to go about the bidding process - how do I determine what amount I want to spend? Use the budget I've been given as a monthly amount for this project and see what I can afford?

I am so glad I found this forum - everybody here is so helpful. I hope as I get more immersed in this that I will be able to help someone in the future.

Shak

5:17 pm on May 2, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I am so glad I found this forum - everybody here is so helpful. I hope as I get more immersed in this that I will be able to help someone in the future.

No doubt you will :)

We have a number of Google adwords experts here, 2 of them being Vibgyor and Webdiversity, unfortunately Webdiversity is on vacation at present.

Shak

webmarkcorp

12:57 am on May 3, 2003 (gmt 0)

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>>
I'm also concerned about how to go about the bidding process - how do I determine what amount I want to spend? Use the budget I've been given as a monthly amount for this project and see what I can afford?
>>

Before you start any CPC campaign you should research your keywords carefully (I use Wordtracker.com extensively) and determine how much a visitor is worth to you. You can figure this out by taking your profit per sale and figuring out your web site visitor conversion rate (i.e. 1 sale for every 100 visitors = 1%).

To simplify the equation: if you pay 0.10 per click and you have a 1% conversion rate, then it costs you $10 to make a sale. If your profit is $50, then you have 500% ROI, but if you only make $5 profit on your sale then you are losing money.

You should also consider the lifetime value of a customer in your bsuiness model.

The URL below links to overtures advertiser tools where you can Calculate ROI and usea free keyword suggestion tool, as well as see overture bid prices.

[content.overture.com...]

~WebmarkCorp

Wildhare

7:18 pm on May 5, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Ok, now not only am I a newbie to this forum - I now feel like I have wasted the last 3 weeks researching, fumbling around, etc. etc. etc. I reviewed posts to this forum, researched my keywords as suggested, revised and rewrote my ad a dozen times until this past Friday when I figured - OK - just start an ad and see what happens.

I went home for the weekend and came back to an email from Google adwords telling me they are concerned about my performance - good grief it was only the weekend. Don't you get a couple of days to see what shakes out?

That was this morning. One of my keywords was flagged. 3 other ones were under scrutiny. Then this afternoon I'm down to one keyword so at that point I paused my campaign and figured I'd rework it once again.

I'm in a very specialized arena - I don't have a lot of keyword combos to play with. So I guess it is back to the drawing board. But I didn't realize I had to make a splash my first time out. No place else are virgins expected to perform seasoned veterans - are they?

MrSpeed

7:52 pm on May 5, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Can you share your impressions and CTR? Also how popular is your term based on the overture search tool?

I just ran a trial campaign and never got flagged. I think I was near 70 impressions before I received a click. It took me about 5 days to get there. My terms receive over 20,000 searches/month at overture.

Wildhare

8:23 pm on May 5, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I used 5 keywords for my first attempt.
I had 1237 impressions and 2 click throughs.
According to Wordtracker I used keywords with a KEI of 14 - 20.
The same keyword in Overturn showed 59268 clicks for the month of March.

I read one post on a related forum that said I should give up my "marketing" ad and write an ad that geared towards what the customer is looking for. Problem is - I don't have a website that sells anything but our services. I just need to get people to our website.

I've been reviewing ads that pop up on Google when I search on my keywords and they are not all that great but they are in the top slots. So I need to swallow my ego and write for my audience.

jimmyz999

11:51 pm on May 9, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Hi All,
One word of advice about looking in your own log to find out what keywords are used is that it is skewed towards the keywords that are already somewhat "optimized" on you site...... since you are getting traffic for that keyword already. For example, if you are found in search engines for keyword1 and keyword2, but not keyword3 you will not see traffic coming in from keyword3 in your log. This means that the log will generally not help you find keywords you are missing, but it does tell you what of the keywords you are using, which ones if more effective in bring in traffic. (ie. more oftenly used)

As suggested it is indeed better to use a variety of keyword suggestion tools to discover and compile keyword and keyword combinations that is relavent to your site.

Looking at competitor HTML code may and may not help, since Meta-Keyword tag is not used in almost all situation now, so use those keywords from competirors Meta-Keyword tag with skepticism. Meta-Keyword tag is NOT the reason why they are listed in top position. Use this method to see what other keywords you might be missing

Last but certainly not least, do a good "SE Optimization" work on your site. Get some good quality links, and you will be on top of your competitors in due time. This will definitely give you the best ROI (even if you have to pay someone to do it) in the long run. SEO is an on-going process, you really need to be on top of it for as long as you have the site. If you combine that with some advertising campaign, you can do quite well.

Jimmy

ps. Don't worry about KEI so much. Make sure you do well on keywords that are used often. Laws of large number applies.