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As far as I'm concerned, AdSense/Content network is broken

Huge amounts of worthless and fraudulent clicks

         

limitup

6:56 pm on May 31, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Now that Google allows advertisers to block up to 25 sites we decided to turn back on the content network, setup some serious tracking, and see if we could make it profitable.

After all is said and done I've come to the conclusion that for all intents and purposes the AdSense/Content network is completely "broken".

We are seeing huge amounts of worthless/fraudulent clicks from the worst of the worst scaper/autogenerated sites. 100s of them. Blocking the "top 25 worst offenders" barely makes a dent in the profitability (or lack thereof) of advertising on the "content" network.

Now I realize that it could be different in other industries but I highly doubt it. I'm sure these jerks have setup identical scraper/autogenerated pages/sites and clickbots for every possible money keyword that exists.

In my opinion the first step Google needs to take is to immediately allow advertisers to block as many sites as they want. This 25 site limit is a joke. I realize it's a new feature and they might still be testing and/or building up their infrastructure to handle more blocking, but they need to get this out there immediately if you ask me.

If Google does not fix this ASAP we will have no choice but to go direcly to the sites that do perform and work with them directly, cutting Google out of the profit loop.

This is just so blatantly broken I'm amazed that Google has allowed it to go this far. It really sickens me they know exactly what is going on, and have allowed this to happen. This is starting to smell like another FindWhat if you ask me. I could even see a class action lawsuit on the horizon.

For the record we have developed a custom tracking system that allows us to track clicks, conversions, etc. back to the original "content" site where our ad was clicked, and I know with 100% certainty that my figures/analysis is correct.

Anyone else have any comments on this?

jim_w

2:21 pm on Jun 1, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Until (G) disallows scraper sites, the problem will not go away. We are now losing 2gig a month in bandwidth from not only content theft, but from direct links to software we have due to scraper sites. In all cases, the scraper sites are in poorer countries, where $100 a month is a living. These people ARE in violation of adsense TOS by creating sites just to display adsense ads. They are also costing legitimate original content publishers by direct theft. I pay for the bandwidth with 0 return from scraper sites.

Both Adsense and Adword customers are all very annoyed about scraper sites. Now, (G) must be doing something right obviously, but common sense tells me that if you tick off your advertisers and legitimate original content publishers, at some point, that bites you in the behind.

(G) has the ways and means to stop it, they just refuse to do it. Just my opinion

limitup

8:33 pm on Jun 1, 2005 (gmt 0)

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To GG or AWA - are your people aware of all of this? Is anything being done to address this problem?

spaceylacie

11:35 pm on Jun 1, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Adsense scraper sites and Adwords advertisers just looking for ROI from affiliate sites are the ones ruining the program.

[edited by: spaceylacie at 11:39 pm (utc) on June 1, 2005]

limitup

11:38 pm on Jun 1, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I'm not exactly sure what you mean but there's no way in heck you can blame any of this on AdWords advertisers. I wouldn't even try to blame the scraper sites, clickbot owners and other button pushers - because they are just taking advantage of a broken system. Sure what they are doing is at the very least "morally wrong", but if you ask me 100% of the blame should be placed on Google. It's their program, they have allowed it to happen, and don't seem to be doing much about it.

spaceylacie

11:45 pm on Jun 1, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Yes, Google is the one that has to fix the problem.

But, what are they going to do when Adwords advertisers want to just promote scraped content(affiliates only) and Adsense publishers maintaining scraper sites want to promote these sites? Let them have each other.

Let us serious publishers, and serious Adwords advertisers meet.

fearlessrick

2:22 am on Jun 2, 2005 (gmt 0)

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GG stopped by the Bourbon Update thread Part 3, early today. He sounded pretty concerned, but told everybody to take a rest from watching the PR and the SERPs.

He hasn't been heard from since. I think he's a brave soul to venture into a discussion at this point.

spaceylacie

2:28 am on Jun 2, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I'm going to New Orleans, gonna ask a question if I can.

DavidDeprice

6:45 am on Jun 2, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Hey, limitup, tell me what your average bid is. Because if you pay over 25 cents - it's not Google's fault but rather yours and I can show you how you can easily fix it.

whoisgregg

6:49 am on Jun 2, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Because if you pay over 25 cents - it's not Google's fault but rather yours and I can show you how you can easily fix it.

Why not share for anyone who is bidding over 25 cents? Or is the fix to reduce the bid below 25 cents? :)

DavidDeprice

12:04 pm on Jun 2, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Yes, there is. The 25 cent figure comes from my own experience, because for me (discounted software) true search converts 5 times better than AdSense.
The trick is simple. If you bid 25 cents for a keyword for true search, you'll probably do just as good bidding 5 cents ... as long as you don't bid on the same keyword.
This is how it works. Let's take "Kitchen Appliences".
Top three bids are in the 30-60 cents range. So if you want to run a successful and profitable campaign, you have to advertise on sites that are of interest to people who buy kitchen appliences, yet you don't want to compete for the same keywords with other advertisers ("kitchen appliences" is way too expensive). Well, recipe websites are a perfect match. Makes sense, doesn't it? Ok, which keywords should you bid on? How about "2 cups all-purpose flour". How many people search for "2 cups all-purpose flour"? 0.
How bids are there for "2 cups all-purpose flour"? 0.
How many websites Google indexes that have "2 cups all-purpose flour"? 124000. According to Google.Co.Uk
at least. Check out the first 10 listings - two websites carry AdSense (one has PSA banners for some reason). Basically, that's the trick. Serious marketers know about it. For instance, if you enter "carrot cake", you'll see that people bid on the term.

Essentially, if you are in business of celling kitchen appliances, there are thousands of keywords and abbreviations you can bid on and 5 five cents that will drive decent traffic. And this approach works for everybody. Say, you bid on "widget" 25 cents. Well, see what sited display your ad for this keyword and analyze that web page for other keywords that you may bid on. In my business I go to www.download.com and pick up names of software and bid on unpopular names

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