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As far as I'm concerned, AdSense/Content network is broken

Huge amounts of worthless and fraudulent clicks

         

limitup

6:56 pm on May 31, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Now that Google allows advertisers to block up to 25 sites we decided to turn back on the content network, setup some serious tracking, and see if we could make it profitable.

After all is said and done I've come to the conclusion that for all intents and purposes the AdSense/Content network is completely "broken".

We are seeing huge amounts of worthless/fraudulent clicks from the worst of the worst scaper/autogenerated sites. 100s of them. Blocking the "top 25 worst offenders" barely makes a dent in the profitability (or lack thereof) of advertising on the "content" network.

Now I realize that it could be different in other industries but I highly doubt it. I'm sure these jerks have setup identical scraper/autogenerated pages/sites and clickbots for every possible money keyword that exists.

In my opinion the first step Google needs to take is to immediately allow advertisers to block as many sites as they want. This 25 site limit is a joke. I realize it's a new feature and they might still be testing and/or building up their infrastructure to handle more blocking, but they need to get this out there immediately if you ask me.

If Google does not fix this ASAP we will have no choice but to go direcly to the sites that do perform and work with them directly, cutting Google out of the profit loop.

This is just so blatantly broken I'm amazed that Google has allowed it to go this far. It really sickens me they know exactly what is going on, and have allowed this to happen. This is starting to smell like another FindWhat if you ask me. I could even see a class action lawsuit on the horizon.

For the record we have developed a custom tracking system that allows us to track clicks, conversions, etc. back to the original "content" site where our ad was clicked, and I know with 100% certainty that my figures/analysis is correct.

Anyone else have any comments on this?

diamondgrl

12:35 am on Jun 1, 2005 (gmt 0)

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A sad commentary but I'm afraid Google has a long way to go to ensure that it is sufficiently policing its advertising network.

Some fraud is inevitable but as this post attests, it appears to be getting to confidence-breaking levels. That can only be bad. I think Google will come to realize - if it doesn't already - that allowing scraper and other sites by those without basic standards of decency are only encouraging unethical behavior across the board. And that can only be bad for medium- and long-term profits.

DavidDeprice

4:25 am on Jun 1, 2005 (gmt 0)

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it may not be necessarily Google problems. In my experience contextual ads convert 5 times worse than true searches. You absolutely have to run separate campaigns for true search vs contextual ads. And you should almost never pay more than 5-6 cents per AdSense click visitor.
And track the results.

DavidDeprice

4:32 am on Jun 1, 2005 (gmt 0)

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In my opinion the first step Google needs to take is to immediately allow advertisers to block as many sites as they want. This 25 site limit is a joke.

No, I think the right way to go would be an opt-in, rather than opt-out, that is "Display my ads on these websites only." Otherwise it'll be a part time job to block new websites that carry your ads

Swebbie

8:48 am on Jun 1, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I think the obvious answer here is for Google to slow down and approve AdSense publishers with more rigorous standards. A scraper site is easily picked out. They make billions every quarter... time to invest some of that into hiring an army to weed out ridiculous publishers.

dmorison

9:06 am on Jun 1, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Site targeting is coming....

[services.google.com...]

Until then, i'm not running with the content network because I simply got scared off watching my logs. Click after click would hit the home page, with no follow up CSS or image requests. I don't care if there might be a positive ROI; I refuse to pay for any clicks that are so blatently automated.

ownerrim

12:21 pm on Jun 1, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I just reread the info on that link and it seems clearer than before. I'm still wondering if smart pricing gets thrown out the window for targeted sites. Also, will a second ad unit on a publisher's page be counted as additional impressions? Will the impressions from second ad blocks somehow be discounted (for example counting as .5 impressions versus full impressions)for advertiser billing purposes.

limitup

1:38 pm on Jun 1, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I don't think simply going to an opt-in versus an opt-out model is the right answer.

My logs reveal hundreds of sites I would have never known about that convert great and we want to advertise on those. If it was an opt-in model, how would you identify all the sites you want to advertise on?

It's no big thing to fully automate the process. We could easily extend our tracking system to automatically block any domain with less than X conversion ratio.

trillianjedi

1:50 pm on Jun 1, 2005 (gmt 0)

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No, I think the right way to go would be an opt-in, rather than opt-out, that is "Display my ads on these websites only

That would be a major step in the right direction (speaking from a publisher point of view).

we will have no choice but to go direcly to the sites that do perform and work with them directly

It's happening now. I'm taking several calls and numerous emails a week from AdWords advertisers who have opted out of content sites and want to go direct.

Bring it on, it's far more profitable. For both sides.

TJ

limitup

2:00 pm on Jun 1, 2005 (gmt 0)

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It may be a little more profitable from an advertiser standpoint, but you lose the scale. We would much rather see a 200% ROI with 20 times the volume versus a 250% ROI with much lower volume. As an advertiser it would be a real PITA to manage 100s of different additional ad campaigns at 100s of different sites. Most just wouldn't do it. It would be better for everyone if Google just fixed their *$*@&!% program.

Hey Google! I'm always reading about how you have all this cash and don't know what to do with it. Why not hire some people to review the sites your ads are run on?!

... hmm ... maybe this is HOW they ended up having so much cash they don't know what to do with it - by scamming us advertisers. This really is starting to stink.

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