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Funny results with AOL

Adwords different in AOL and Explorer browsers

         

mistah

8:08 pm on Apr 30, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I've got an AOL dial-up connection at home (don't ask me why, I just have).

When I do a search through at Google.com using the standard AOL browser my UK targetted Adwords come up. However, if I do the same search using Internet Explorer as my browser, they don't.

Anyone know what's going on?

I'm concerned that I'm not getting the full reach for my Adwords in the UK because of this. I don't want to have to target all of my keywords globally, as, for logistical reasons, many of our goods and services can only be supplied to the UK market

hannamyluv

12:07 pm on May 1, 2003 (gmt 0)

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It shouldn't make a difference since AOL browser is really just the explorer browser with a different skin. It could just be a timing issue.

mistah

9:43 am on May 2, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Something strange is definitely going on. I installed AOL on my broadband connection at work, and the same thing is happening.

ytswy

9:48 am on May 2, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I've seen something similar on an AOL connection. Maybe AOL gives its users US IPs?

<duh>misread the post, didn't see you were using IE while still using the AOL dial up</duh>

hummer

3:24 pm on May 2, 2003 (gmt 0)



My guess is that your aol account "knows" that you are coming from the UK. When it passes your query to google, it sends it to:

[google.co.uk...]

which brings up UK ads.

My guess is that when you go to google, you use the URL:

[google.com...]

which will NOT display UK-only ads.

If you use the first URL, you will see the UK ads, no matter what part of the world you are in.

I have observed this in my efforts to promote a NZ site, which I am promoting from the US.

If this is what's going on, my question is how often do non-US users use their country specific google URL? I'm concerned that overseas users don't know to use country specific google search sites.

mistah

1:52 pm on May 5, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Thanks, Hummer. I think I understand what's going on now. I know that UK AOL users get IP addresses that are difficult to differentiate from US addresses. Perhaps Google check to see whether a UK issue of the AOL browser is being used to get round this. When IE is being used, it can't do this and assumes the user is US-based.

GaryKirk

3:00 pm on May 5, 2003 (gmt 0)



Hi All,

This is my first post, I think I have the answer though.

Google.com uses IP addresses as the best guess for the country of origin. Any search on google.com will possibly return adwords for the wrong country, see further info below.

Local google sites such as .co.uk and .co.nz will return the adverts for the given TLD.

IP Allocation & Location information:

IP's have a defined structure which allows 3 levels of block size to be allocated. Historically, very large companies were able to get an A class IP address blocks (this has stopped now and A class networks are only allocated to countries, usually), this means they can have 16 million IP's in thier block in the format 123.?.?.?

This has very bad implications for determining location. HP have such a network and as such anyone on that network will find they share a common IP address block wherever they are in the world. The smaller B and C class blocks allow less machines on a network and are easier to determine location due to their smaller size and being a subset of a reserved A class block.

All allocated blocks, no matter what size have details associated to them so locations may be determined for the bulk of that network. It is unlikely that a significant proportion a B class network (up to 65,536 machines: less in reality due to network topology and technology) will be outside the country associated to it (many such networks will span a number of company buildings). C Class networks are so small they can be assumed to be in one country (possibly one building).

So, in summary. Any company allocated an A class network or using a B class internationally may pose a problem for determining location of specific machines. This may be resolved with the introduction of IP6

Regards

Gary

mistah

7:58 pm on May 6, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Phew Gary, that's quite a comprehensive answer!