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Number of keywords account?

         

affiliatefr

12:59 pm on May 12, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Hi,

Can somebody recommend me an ideal number of keywords per Adwords account?
I'm having a maximum of 50,000 keywords per account at the moment but browsing my accounts is very slow and I'm not sure my ads always show correctly.

Thanks

eWhisper

1:12 pm on May 12, 2005 (gmt 0)

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This thread has a nice post by AWA about suggested maximums:
[webmasterworld.com...]

affiliatefr

1:14 pm on May 12, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Thanks mate but I'm already following Awa's advice and I'm not fully satisfied.
I'm more after your own experence.

patient2all

2:33 pm on May 12, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Hi Affiliatefr,

I have a 50,000 keyword max too. Others have more, some have less. They won't reveal what determines one's limit, however I'd imagine it's either CTR or spending amount. Another Google "secret" for some reason.

I have no trouble managing my account even when working on a relatively low end PC. When I get at around 49,000, I look for what I can clearly live without and then add more campaigns/adgroups/keywords.

I'm curious what you mean by "I'm not sure my ads always show correctly". If you describe in detail, I'll watch for it.

patient2all

affiliatefr

3:37 pm on May 12, 2005 (gmt 0)

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When I said I'm not sure my ads are always showing, I was mostly gessing that the fact it's hard for me to navigate in my big accounts could make it hard for Adwords too...
Since I don't have stats on impressions other than google I can only assume things like this.

Thanks for you help btw. :-)

patient2all

10:52 pm on May 13, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Well, first the message "The keywords in your account are nearing an unmanageable size" is a bit misleading. Unmanageable for who? I suspect for Google only considering how much you're spending considering how much of their resources and bandwidth you're using. Since many people have a limit several times higher than 50,000 why are their accounts more "manageable"?

I normally run on an 800MZ PC and it's a tad clunky navigating. When I use my other 2.4 PC, it flies (I don't use the 2.4 as much since I haven't had time to install all the software I need on it yet).

I recall one thread where AWA inferred that your ads can be managed better with less keywords rather than more, but I doubt that has any impact on my ads showing. They show when they show, driven by many other factors, of which I doubt the # of keywords is one.

In fact, I've found that the more possibilities I include in an AdGroup, the more profitable it tends to be. When for lack of imagination, I only use say 15 keywords in an Adgroup, it's rarely a big moneymaker.

My best AdGroups have between 150-300 keywords, making sure to include plurals and other likely variants. Keep in mind that broad match is very undependable, especially for smaller niches. With less history, it appears that Google simply isn't sure how to expand on it. I've found that using the articles 'a' and 'the' where appropriate help a lot. 'green widget' as a broad match (or phrase for that matter) often won't match on a search for 'a green widget'. Sometimes though it will.

My oldest campaigns often match too broadly according to my logs. You have to keep adding negative keywords to avoid what you don't want to show for. Especially with adult related campaigns. Computers simply don't understand how sex works ;)

Matching flexibility appears to be based on how many impressions 'green widget' has accumulated and how 'green widget' performs when shown for expanded broad matching possibilities.

  • The question of the hour which I would love to get an answer on is whether that is based on my impressions and performance or impressions/performance systemwide for the keyword.

  • My second question of the hour is how to get your limit upped. Anyone know a compelling justification to use when requesting a higher limit? I know they are granted.

    I'd like to say myself that I am using very targeted keywords and have a great many distinctive AdGroups and all would profit if I had more flexibility.

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To address your original question, I don't believe that sheer # of keywords has had any impact on how often my ads are showing or at what position, etc. Hardly any of my words go on hold, I usually replace them when I see they aren't getting impressions anyway. Still, it would be handy if I could keep a second account to use as a benchmark to see if a more lean account has any bearing on profitabilty. That would violate TOS though.

patient2all

mothner

12:12 am on May 14, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I know the question was regarding an "ideal" size but to shed perhaps a little more light on the maximums, the 50k keyword limit is the limit only for accounts that haven't acheived Google's unpublished thresholds.

For example, in one of our long-established accounts that we were adding a significant number of keywords to, we ran into the 50k limit quite quickly, which we were able to have raised to a a 1 million keyword limit because the account "qualified" for this raise.

These limits are really not system limitations (though the account does load more slowly with several hundred thousand terms) because clearly they allow it in established accounts, but rather Google's effort to avoid keyword-spammers or inadvertant abuse by novice users? Any thoughts on this?

Mike