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Is it risky (in terms of organic search) to phone Google Ads?

         

halpern

2:50 am on Oct 24, 2022 (gmt 0)



Is there potential risk in phoning Google Ads?

Background: several months ago, a woman called a radio talk show and stated that (a) she had spoken to a Google Ads rep via telephone, (b) the rep wanted her to make a commitment to spend $300 per month, (c) she declined, and (d) her website immediately disappeared from the organic SERP. The woman drew the conclusion that there was a causal relationship between these events.

My situation is this: I have set up a G Ads campaign for a client of mine. To best serve my client, I need information about G Ads that is not available on its platform. (I like the platform but not everything is clear, and some important info is missing.) Ideally, I would like to speak live with a G Ads rep to get the info I need. However, my client is not willing to spend $300 per month at the outset (nor should he because, at this point we are just testing the waters to determine whether the ads are cost-effective for him).

In the opinion of my esteemed colleagues, is it safe to make the call to G Ads on behalf of my client notwithstanding the allegation that G penalizes low spenders by degrading their organic search results?

not2easy

4:12 am on Oct 25, 2022 (gmt 0)

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Is this woman who called the radio talk show someone you know and trust? Were you listening to the radio discussion or heard about it from a third party?

I ask only because it is so unlikely that a person spending less than $300 a month would be able to speak with a Google Ads rep via telephone. They don't support a one-on-one customer service base for tire-kickers unless it is something new, in which case I stand corrected and amazed. I also believe it might have earned a headline around here.

I would say, go ahead and try to reach an Ads Rep at GoogleAds. There are so many things that can tank a site it is very unlikely to have had anything to do with that radio show claim.

There are a few mentions of this topic around - back in 2004 the spend required to talk to a rep was @10K/mo : [webmasterworld.com...]

Finding more is sort of tricky because of their name change (from AdWords).

halpern

8:55 am on Oct 26, 2022 (gmt 0)



Thank you very much, not2easy, for your reply. No, I do not know the caller. I have some trust in her, in that she came across as genuine (she was either genuine or an extremely good actor). I heard the woman speak via radio.

Perhaps we should have a new headline on this topic: it appears that things have really changed. Many years ago, I created Google Ads (when they were "AdWords"). I noticed a phone number in small print at the top of the page. Eventually, for some reason I can't remember, I called and spoke to an advertising rep. I am certain that my budget was not more than C$100, because C$100 is approximately the total amount that I have paid Google between then and now. I had a great discussion with the rep. In fact, I don't remember discussing anything about ads. We covered many topics. The rep gave me several tips on search marketing, and I shared my knowledge with him. The sharing was equal on both sides. The most important thing I learned from the conversation was how to get ranked on Google Business. It took me two years, but I did get ranked and often ended up at the top of the SERP, even more prominently than my regular organic search listing.

A few years ago, I suggested that a client of mine call Google to get help with setting up his ad. He called, he spoke with a rep, and the rep set up the entire campaign for him. I am certain that the rep did all the work because my client had no technical skill in this regard and could not have done anything himself. Either I had to do it or Google had to do it. I suggested that my client call Google, to save him money, and it did — I would have charged him hundreds. I know that his ad budget was small because of the amount he was willing to spend on my services (less than C$500).

Recently I called Google Ads for technical reasons only. Initially, I was asked several questions, including how high my ad budget was. A red flag went up. I said, "I don't know, because I am doing this for a client, and he hasn't decided." It's true: we were experimenting to see what kind of response he would get. I was immediately put through to a Google Ads rep who told me to call back the next day.

As it turned out, I didn't have to call back. The technical issue resolved itself. It was just a matter of waiting for the Google machine to launch my campaign.

The biggest difference between my first encounter with Google Ads and now is that now, we are all greeted via telephone with a robotic warning that the Google Ads rep will discuss only one thing: ads. My guess is that a lot of SEOs must have been bugging the advertising reps about organic (free) search, and Google had to crack down on the practice.

Here's what else you need to know:

  • As soon as you enter the home page of G Ads, you are prompted to call for help.

  • I set up my latest campaign (for my client) on Sept. 29. On Oct. 24, I got an email template from a G Ads "specialist" providing general info on how to optimize a G Ads campaign. The email contained the specialist's full name, his direct telephone number, and his email address. So far, the spend on my account is only C$22.43!

In light of the above-mentioned email template, my inclination is to email my questions to the specialist and see if he provides the info I need. I think this is something that could easily be handled, initially, via email, instead of a phone call. If I don't get the info I need via email, I may have to call.

I would greatly value any additional comments or suggestions that my fellow WebmasterWorld subscribers may have. It's possible that we could get more help directly from Google itself, just by asking for it <smile>.

not2easy

12:43 pm on Oct 26, 2022 (gmt 0)

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Interesting background, halpern, and thank you for sharing the extra details. Yes, it seems email might be helpful in that case. I think you might get better responses if we move this discussion to the GoogleAds forum.

tangor

3:23 am on Oct 27, 2022 (gmt 0)

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Things change with time. G was learning their biz back in the day. These days they ARE the biz and might present a "take it or leave it" attitude, or a "pay if you want to play"...

Still the best game in town!

Email is probably the best method. One has a RECORD of what was discussed. Live phone sometimes gets distracted (nothing nefarious, just wanders!) and you don't have a record of what was said, unless you recorded the conversation.

Dimitri

11:48 am on Oct 27, 2022 (gmt 0)

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+1 for keeping trace of exchanges (not only with Google, always keep tracks about everything you are saying, and everything you are told).

chewy

12:15 pm on Oct 27, 2022 (gmt 0)

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there are a number of "reps" that can (could) be of service. the 800 number advertised is now saying "sorry, due to the pandemic we don't do this" - and that was mostly techical support that would span AdWords, Analytics, Google Business and other things. For a while it was fantastic and - of course, quality suffered as time advanced. There were also Google "REPS" who cold called to turn people on to AdSense (I know, I got the call!) and other "new" features, and there were also reps that would call to try to up your spending - and while they promised the world, the reality was a bit different. Now, who knows. Clearly not us.

Remember Google Guy? Remember those days?

Taking a risk here but the big G seems to have a habit of providing a good "free" value and then reeling it back so that it eventually costs money for us and makes money for them. For instance, certain aspects of GMAIL now costs money. Not a bad deal, but not free. And not much support either other than through resellers. I expect we'll see much more of this in the future.

halpern

11:38 am on Oct 29, 2022 (gmt 0)



@tangor [webmasterworld.com ]

Email is probably the best method. One has a RECORD of what was discussed.

Good point <smile>.

halpern

12:25 pm on Oct 29, 2022 (gmt 0)



@Dimitri [webmasterworld.com...]
+1 for keeping trace of exchanges (not only with Google, always keep tracks about everything you are saying, and everything you are told).

I developed this habit in the 1980s when validating records of employment for the Canadian government in an effort to combat fraudulent employment insurance claims.

ecommerceprofit

6:28 am on Nov 29, 2022 (gmt 0)

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Back in the day when my business was having problems with ads going from a ton of sales per day to zero I had a way to deal with the Google ad reps. When they called I would say how I loved Google so much and loved their ads. I was just too busy to talk for the next 6 months because of some big project or crisis. I really wanted to talk with them because I loved them so much but could they just call back then. Perhaps 3 months later, earlier than I asked, I would get a call from this same rep or someone else and I would say the same thing and kick the can down the road. I no longer have proof but this helped me somewhat with problems.