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thenebra

11:45 am on Jan 12, 2021 (gmt 0)

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Hi,
I am selling candles for 30$ a piece.
My expenses (material, shipping, etc..) are half the price.
Been thinking about google ads and try to make some extra money but the math does not add up.
Google says for every dollar spent i am going to make 2 with ads, a.k.a. roas 2(industry standard)
So if I invest 15 bucks Im gonna make 30. But then my total expenses are 30 and I dont make any money.

I am totally new to this and just trying to learn. Are my candles just too low priced products to make it worth my time with google ads?
Maybe Facebook is a better option or me?
Would love some insight.
Thanks.

robzilla

12:13 pm on Jan 12, 2021 (gmt 0)

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Google cannot guarantee that you'll get two dollars in return for every dollar you spend, so I hope they haven't actually promised you that. It depends on the quality of your ads, how well they target your (potential) customers, how good your website is at converting visitors into buyers, how much your competitors are spending on ads, and a few other factors. If you were to break even with your ad spending, you could focus on optimizing the ads or the sales funnel to increase your profit somehow (or increase your prices), but it's very difficult to know it all beforehand. This is one reason why Google often offers coupons to new advertisers, where they'll either match your ad spend or give you some free money to spend on ads, so that you can see if Google Ads works for you.

If you can break even, that's not all that bad either, considering that you're finding new customers that can return (e.g. through a newsletter) to purchase more candles without you having to pay for advertising to reach them.

tangor

8:49 pm on Jan 12, 2021 (gmt 0)

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@thenebra ,,, Welcome to Webmasterworld!

I doubt that g itself said you'd double your money on ad spends. If they did, please post that info so we can all hold them to that promise!

Meanwhile, as suggested above, have site content and pricing sufficient to promote return traffic. A loyal customer is highly valued!

NickMNS

10:25 pm on Jan 12, 2021 (gmt 0)

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@thenebra
Are my candles just too low priced products to make it worth my time with google ads?

Whether it is worth using Google ads isn't really a function of price. It more a function on one hand of your gross margin and on the other hand market or your competitors. How much you pay for ads will depend on how much your competitors are paying. If you find a niche with no competition advertising costs can be low. It is impossible to know without trying (like robzilla has already pointed out).

In accounting advertising cost are not calculated on per unit basis, as it is extremely difficult to attribute the cost of an ad to the sale of a product. Often many people will need to see your ads before one person buys a product, and then as has been pointed out above, a customer that has seen an ad and purchased a product may return to buy more of your product without additional advertising.

So typically advertising costs are aggregated and then deducted from gross margin, which is the revenue from sales less cost of the product you sold. So to truly get a sense of return on investment one would need to run a campaign for some period of time and then deduct that cost from the gross margin earned over the same period of time.

Moreover, there are two opposing ways to make money high volume low margin, or low volume high margin. Bentley, sells very few cars but each one sold likely provides a huge margin that would make Toyota blush. Toyota on the other hand sells millions of cars a year, so even if the only make few hundred dollars per car sold, year profits are likely far greater that what Bentley earns.

The point of that last bit, is that if you only able to make profit $1 per candle but can sell tens of thousands of them, then that is pretty good, but on the other if your market is small, maybe even 15$ per candle is not enough to sustain the business. And don't forget you need to produce what you sell so if you can't produce 25k candles a year, then that strategy is likely not the one to adopt.

One final point,
Based on your post (if I read it correctly) your per unit gross margin is $15. That is the difference between your variable costs (in your case cost of wax, wicks, and your time) and the money received from sale of one candle. Now there is nothing wrong with reasoning on a per unit basis, but it doesn't need to be. For example you can sell your candles in bundles of say 3 candles for 75$, then your GM will 75 - 3 x 15 = 30, it doubled! This is partly why grocery stores advertise products such as avocados at 3 for 5$. The other reason is that people perceive value in buying in bundles. In your case you should offer 1 candle $30 and 3 for 77$. Take numbers that are not easily divisible 75 / 3 is easy, 25$ but what 77 / 3?

The key is to have a plan before you get started spending on advertising. Set a goal, say the sale of 100 units and a maximum ad spend of $300, once you reach one of those thresholds stop, and calculate the result. If sell 100 candles first then you can double down, and if you fall far short of sales goals after spending $300 you can cut your losses and reevaluate.

Good luck!

RhinoFish

11:08 pm on Jan 12, 2021 (gmt 0)

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Price = Cost + Marketing + Profit + Shipping
If Cost = 50% x Price, and Marketing = 50% x Price, then Profit + Shipping = $0.
Profit = -Shipping.

You've got to lower your COGS or your Marketing, preferably both.

buckworks

11:24 pm on Jan 12, 2021 (gmt 0)

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I doubt that g itself said you'd double your money on ad spends. If they did, please post that info so we can all hold them to that promise!


@tangor, the world would be a better place if you made fewer comments about things where you don't have experience. Google makes no promises about the return on ad spend, they just give an idea what ROAS others achieve.

@thenebra Your math logic is correct. If your ad spend eats up your margins, the resulting sales would put nothing in your pocket.

That said, it's worth some cautious testing to see if you could achieve a better ROAS than the industry average. Be <extremely> selective about who sees your ads ... what queries you bid on, your geo-targeting, demographic targeting and so on. Craft your ads carefully and keep your bids low until you get a feel for what works.

Your Google ads and analytics accounts will need to be connected, and your site will need the codes correctly in place for tracking sales or other goals such as newsletter signups.

Consider testing the waters with one or two small remarketing campaigns that only target people who already visited your site, especially those who abandoned their carts. People who already know you often convert better than promoting to the world at large. If you can make that work, then try reaching further afield.

Move in small steps, but do move. :-)

Mark_A

1:32 pm on Feb 11, 2021 (gmt 0)

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I don't know the sector or the bid prices required to get to position 1 or 3 or whatever..

However I would worry about the idea you had to bid $15 per click to get useful closing visitors.

In my sector I refuse to bid more than £1.99 per click. There is little math about it, I just refuse. If there are competitors bidding more than that I leave that keyword to them and look for key words that are more affordable of which there are usually plenty.