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How can they claim

         

fashezee

7:41 pm on Mar 28, 2003 (gmt 0)

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With softwares such as: <snip>

How can Google claim their filter process works against these softwares?

I tested the above software with my own campaigns; I was charged 6 out of 10 times
(I used a very unique word)!

I just got a response from google (took 10 weeks), stating that there filter process can detect
such things. Before I travel to the west coast to demostrate in person their filter process
does not work, is there anything else I can do?

[edited by: NFFC at 9:12 pm (utc) on Mar. 28, 2003]
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daroz

10:58 pm on Mar 28, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Before responding I had fashezee send me the link to the software he was looking at.

Of all the 'tricks' this software uses the one that Google may, or may not, have an easy time defeating is it's use of public (wideopen) proxy servers.

You give this software a list of proxy servers (which can be hundreds long) and it'll marrily use them, round robin, to download the page, and click on the ad, repeatedly, all day long.

I downloaded the demo version and looked at it, but I don't have that many unique (where I'm the only advertiser) keywords so I didn't actually execute it.

As a counter that Google may wish to consider (GoogleGuy - Read this part) -- there are several DNS black lists used commonly to stop SPAM that list only open proxies. Perhaps any ad-clicks from these proxies could be immediately black-listed if > 1-2 /day.

At least Google might be able to use this list to run some statistics on the CTR for these IPs vs. all others. At least it would give a clearer picture of how previlent this is.

(Also note worthy - the forums for this software has no less then 2-3 threads on the first page with lists of hundreds of open proxy servers)

fashezee

2:41 am on Mar 29, 2003 (gmt 0)

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A member "john" something (I can't remember the name) sent me an email requesting
the link that was snipped. I accidently deleted your email. Please resend your email.

jady

4:30 am on Mar 29, 2003 (gmt 0)

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We dont do PPC anymore becuase we did our OWN tracking on the supposed "error proffing" of folks clicking mulitiple times on your sites. Some PPC engines advertise that you will not be billed if someone keeps clicking on your website - however we found otherwise...

Also found that competitors mostly clicked (and clicked and clicked) for unknown reasons. Get more leads from real search engine hits, just wasted a bunch of money on PPC. Might be better for home fields, but our's it didnt work in any direction...

GoogleGuy

7:34 am on Mar 29, 2003 (gmt 0)

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fashezee, I'd definitely like to hear about this software package. Would you mind dropping me more info via the spam report form? I appreciate it.

daroz

7:56 am on Mar 29, 2003 (gmt 0)

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GoogleGuy - Just fired one off to ya.

GoogleGuy

6:28 pm on Mar 29, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Cool, thanks daroz!