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Easy way to triple your profitable keyword list?

Pure genius or waste of time?

         

limitup

3:30 am on Feb 9, 2005 (gmt 0)

WebmasterWorld Senior Member 10+ Year Member



Someone suggested that I should have all 3 versions of each keyword, such as:

buy a widget
"buy a widget"
[buy a widget]

If any given search term will only match one listing in my account, and the broad match buy a widget will catch everything, what is the point of having all 3 versions of every keyword?

It must have something to do with CTRs right? For example if someone types in buy a widget I would assume the system would match with the exact match [buy a widget]. But I still don't understand how this helps me?

What am I missing?

gertrijs

5:27 am on Feb 9, 2005 (gmt 0)



If you only have
buy a widget
and 99% of the web searchers use the term
I hate to buy a widget
your CTR will be very bad. If the other 1% gives you great profit you do not want to get your keyword disabled.

By having all 3 variants of the KW, you are making sure the high profit [buy a widget] will never get disabled (will have great CTR). Also, your cost per click for the [] variant will get lower in time as it is not influenced by people who hate widgets.

Gert

limitup

5:39 am on Feb 9, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Understood, but that is an extreme example I'm not really concerned about because unwanted searches like that are pretty much taken care of with our negative keywords.

I'm wondering about how this relates to various related terms that you are already bidding on, and which listing a search is matched to based on the different match types.

Is the general idea that if you have

buy a widget
"buy a widget"
[buy a widget]

that the popular phrase buy a widget will always match your exact match, which should theoretically have a very high CTR because that is the exact and only term it's being matched to?

Versus if you only had buy a widget it would be matching other things like buy a widget online, etc. which might have slightly lower CTRs?

eWhisper

2:21 pm on Feb 9, 2005 (gmt 0)

WebmasterWorld Senior Member 10+ Year Member



Interesting post by vibgyor79 on the subject of using all 3 match types:

[webmasterworld.com...]

limitup

4:15 pm on Feb 9, 2005 (gmt 0)

WebmasterWorld Senior Member 10+ Year Member



Ok I think I might have figured it out ...

Say you are bidding on

buy a widget

and so are 50 other people. That's not good.

However, if you bid on

[buy a widget]

and someone searches for buy a widget, and there are only 5 other people bidding on that exact match, then really you are only bidding against 5 other people instead of 50.

This should reduce your CPC tremendously since most advertisers are probably not bidding on phrase and/or exact match for every term. Am I on the right track?

PhoneGuy

7:52 pm on Feb 9, 2005 (gmt 0)

10+ Year Member



limitup-

I don’t believe that is the way it works. If you are biding on ‘buy a widget’ as a broad match, than you are still competing with people who are using [buy a widget] (exact) or “buy a widget” (phrase). So say company X is bidding on [buy a widget] and your only bidding on ‘buy a widget’ (broad), a user comes to google and searchs “buy a widget”, both ads broad and exact will be competing for the position. So if my broad match keyword was set to say $1 and his exact match was set too $.50 than my broad match would show up on top.

The main benefit of using all 3 types of keywords is to get a better idea of how users are searching for your keyword. By using all 3 on a given keyword you will be able to see how many are finding X keyword and by what meathead. I wouldn’t use it on every keyword you add, but it could be used on specific keywords to test over an extended period of time.

Frequent

8:07 pm on Feb 9, 2005 (gmt 0)

10+ Year Member



Another thing to consider is the value of having more data for analysis and optimization.

Assuming you have a pretty specific and targeted keyword, typically one would expect the best CTR and Conversions from [red widgets], second best from "red widgets" and last but not least, red widgets broad matched.

However, if, after analysis you notice the best conversions are coming from "red widgets" instead of [red widgets] then you are likely missing out on directly targeting some other more exact and lucrative keyword such as [floppy red widgets].

That's just one oversimplified example. Generally, the more info you have to analyze the better.

limitup

8:08 pm on Feb 9, 2005 (gmt 0)

WebmasterWorld Senior Member 10+ Year Member



I added exact matches for my top 10 most popular broad match terms. When I search for these terms my ads are now ranked significantly higher than before I added the exact matches - with no change in bids. I can't think of anything else to explain this ...

Sweezely

9:37 am on Feb 10, 2005 (gmt 0)

10+ Year Member



I was under the impression that exact matched keywords would rank higher than phrase or broad matched keywords.

eWhisper

1:48 pm on Feb 10, 2005 (gmt 0)

WebmasterWorld Senior Member 10+ Year Member



I was under the impression that exact matched keywords would rank higher than phrase or broad matched keywords

This is true in Overture, not in Google.

Google finds what keyword in your account has the highest ad rank formula that qualifies for the search, and assigns it a number. It does the same thing for every other account which could show for that keyword and assigns them an ad rank number, and then it displays ads based on those numbers.

[webmasterworld.com...] posts 10 & 11 have some data on how keywords are selected in your account - however, I think that the data is now outdated and needs to be updated by G.

limitup

2:24 pm on Feb 10, 2005 (gmt 0)

WebmasterWorld Senior Member 10+ Year Member



I think I now understand the benefit of using phrase or exact matches. Generally an exact match term will get a significantly higher CTR than the same term without [].

Most people do not bid on exact matches, they just dump a bunch of broad match terms into their account and their done.

So basically with exact matches you have an advantage because most of your competitors probably aren't bidding on exact matches, and thus you already have a CTR advantage right from the start.

Is that right?

eWhisper

2:29 pm on Feb 10, 2005 (gmt 0)

WebmasterWorld Senior Member 10+ Year Member



Depends on industry sophistication.

In some industries, this is very true. And since the less sophisticated industries aren't making use of negative keywords and phrase/exact match options - your observation is often true.

In sophisticated industries, you'll find people using a lot of exact match and negative match. You'll also find that their bidding is scaled by ROI. Meaning that the exact matches might be very expensive and the broad matches cheaper because the exact match produces better results.

Paul_N

7:44 pm on Feb 10, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Exact match gets listed before phrase, phrase gets listed before broad.

So, if you bid on [big red widget], and another advertiser bids on broad match of <red widget>, and someone searches for [big red widget] (exact match), then your ad will get listed before your competitors because you have bidded on the most exact term, even though both of your ads cover this particular search.

However, if you bid on [big red widget], and another advertiser bids on broad match <big red widget>, and someone searches for [big red widget] (exact match), your ads are considered equal and the ranking of your ads will go down to the CTR/CPC etc.