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New at Adwords

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ScottM

1:54 am on Mar 19, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I recently decided to 'splurge' and spend $100 at Google Adwords.

Now this goes against my normal instincts, because I figured a #1 listing is as good as any 'ad'.

At this point I've been proved wrong. I actually had my first $300 day (pure profit) using Google Adwords. For this profit I spent about $6.00.

Yep...about $6.00

I wish I could say Google Adwords aren't worth the money, but at this point I can't. I'm not a fan of spending money to make money, (maybe it's just me:>)

So...for all you unbelievers out there...give it a shot. I did, just for fun, and I'm becoming a true believer.

I'm sure I will get flamed for this post as being a 'mouthpiece' for Google. Not true. I only did it for fun...and it actually worked.

I'm thinking people who are looking to buy are clicking on the Adwords...while those looking to educate themselves are clicking the search results.

Strange, but I've been wrong before:>)

PRNightmare

2:33 am on Mar 19, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Take it from me, you really gotta spend some to make some. In fact, if you're into volume, you could advertise more and make more.

However, the return you experienced is unrealistic. It is more likely that someone will get a between 150% and 300% ROI through AdWords. But more is possible/rare.

Your market niche and "ability to convert" factor hugely into these estimates.

I'm thinking that, if you could pump up the AdWords volume to say, $600 returns $30,000, then more power to ya!

chiyo

2:59 am on Mar 19, 2003 (gmt 0)

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>>I'm thinking people who are looking to buy are clicking on the Adwords...while those looking to educate themselves are clicking the search results. <<

Absoultely correct from where I stand. It makes absolute sense. For information sites do SEO. For selling sites forget about all the compromises you have to make to make a page SE freindly and just go straight for Adwords!

As a browser, really if you are looking to buy something, you can do it far more efficently from Adwords...

Im hoping that if more realise this, the left side listings will become even more useful as an information search as people start to concentrate more on the right side and top for selling and commercial sites..

ScottM

3:19 am on Mar 19, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Your market niche and "ability to convert" factor hugely into these estimates.

Oh, I agree! I'm doing a market niche quite well.

In fact I used the 'absolute' feature:

[red widgets]

Conversion had been tough...till Adwords.

The other thing about Adwords? No worry about the dance...hehe.

I'm really sorry if my post sounds like a commercial for Adwords...I'm just amazed at it. And if I hadn't decided to splurge...I never would have known how cool this was!

defanjos

4:45 am on Mar 19, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Shssssss, the more people that know about it, the tougher it will be to make money using it ;)

dwilliams

5:29 pm on Mar 20, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Between May 2002 when we started our GoogleAd campaign and Feb. 2003 we spent roughly 72K on GoogleAds which in turn generated 500K in sales. Spend money to make money...oh yes, you have to - if you're serious.

Our consultant says that CPC will peek this year and start to drop off in 2004. I'm not sure I agree but as the old farmer says...make hay while the sun shines (does anyone know what that actually means?)

Rhadamanthus

6:54 pm on Mar 20, 2003 (gmt 0)

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dwilliams - hay is made by drying out various grasses. I'm not sure how they do this now. They may have high tech ovens or some such. But it *used* to be done by laying them out in the sun, hence the expression.

buckworks

7:15 pm on Mar 20, 2003 (gmt 0)

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If you don't get your hay put up properly when conditions are dry, you might get rained on and then you can't get the job done. Hay which is baled or stacked when it's too wet will rot, or might even undergo spontaneous combustion under some circumstances.

The point of the saying is that you are smart to seize the moment and get your work done when conditions are good, because you never know what tomorrow will bring.

dwilliams

7:51 pm on Mar 20, 2003 (gmt 0)

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You people know too much about hay.

GoogleGuy

4:53 am on Mar 21, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Cool. Glad AdWords worked for you, ScottM. If you put a price on your time, sounds like advertising is cheaper, easier, and works better than search engine optimization. :)

Wow. I hope I get to say that last sentence much more in the future. :)

dwilliams

12:33 pm on Mar 21, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I consider SEO a long term project. If your site is relevant enough, it will/should eventually rise to the top...or get closer. SEO helps get it there.

CPC is short term. It drives tons of traffic (or has the potential to) and sales (or has the potential to). As I stated in my first message - our consultant believes that CPC will run its course in about a year. I'm not sure I agree but it works gangbusters right now.

P.S. We've upped our CPC budget from 15K to 30K a month and I'm getting an assistant who is going to be spending a good 60% of their time maintaining our campaigns. This at a time when we've got a corporate wide head-count and budget cuts across the board.

hannamyluv

2:16 pm on Mar 21, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I don't think it will run it's course, per say. I just think that it will become a tougher field, as any decent advertising avenue is bound to do. ScottM isn't be the only person out there who is saying "What the heck... Let's give it a try" and then going, "Hey cool, it works!" That's how we found out about it.

Saying that it will run it's course is like the people who said that TV was just a fad and that advertising on it would just be a short term thing (and there were people who said that). Adwords and other CPC ads may evolve and become something different (think the original live timex commercials vs. any of today's commercials) but they won't go away.

Heck, banners never really work and they are still around years and years later. CPC ads have worked from the onset, and have continued to work for awhile now. All these SE that have finally found a viable way to make a profit through having CPC ads, will make very sure that CPC ads work now and in the future.

grnidone

4:20 pm on Mar 21, 2003 (gmt 0)



Glad AdWords worked for you, ScottM. If you put a price on your time, sounds like advertising is cheaper, easier, and works better than search engine optimization. :)

If you have the money, yes. I agree, PPC is a short term solution, but SEO should still be part of the mix.

hannamyluv

6:22 pm on Mar 21, 2003 (gmt 0)

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>>PPC is a short term solution

I make back double what I put into adwords (and that's after I calculate labor and cost-of-goods). It ain't short term here.

I agree that SEO should be a part of a healthy mix but I will never again slave over optimizing a page for an organic search on a phrase that doesn't see all that much in the way of traffic.

Now, I can focus on the biggies and throw up a CPC for all the phrases that see traffic but just aren't worth the time to "fit" it into SEO. Maybe it is lazy, but last time I checked, lazy wasn't always stupid. :)

dwilliams

7:25 pm on Mar 21, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Hey, believe me, we'll keep pumping coins into the CPC slot as long as it keeps paying.

NFFC

9:07 pm on Mar 21, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Congrats ScottM and welcome to the club!

Adwords and other PPC providers are a good tool for the ambitious webmaster and as stated its all about the ROI. We used adwords from the start when it was CPM just as a thank you for the free traffic from the "real" results, it turns out that since the PPC model came in it works out better for us.

We find many advantadges is using adwords et al as compared to traditional SEO, in our specific case mainly because we can get traffic on keywords that we wouldn't normally target and in keeping out those who can't rank in the "real" results.

We sell widgets, wonderful widgets at a great price but the prospect of having a page on our site that targetted "cheap widgets" would hurt our brand. Adwords etc can help with that, we can still get the traffic without having to low ball the site.

>Wow. I hope I get to say that last sentence much more in the future.

Time-out GG :)

Adwords is good, I like them as a user and a webmaster but lets not beat up on the webmaster/SEO's too much, we still have our place. As much as G! has a drive to deliver good results [real and adwords, the clicker doesn't see the difference] webmaster/SEO's have the same drive to push their content to the target audiance. In some ways our responsibility is greater than your own, wheather for fun, profit or charity the ultimate aim of a publisher is to be read, webmaster/SEO's need to ensure that their content is available [i.e. ranks].

Adwords = Good

SEO = Good

"4 legs good, 2 legs better" never struck me as a winner. ;)

webdiversity

12:12 am on Mar 22, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Banners never worked at the stupid prices people wanted to charge for them. Now that the CPM is more realistic and the tracking is more robust it can now be used as part of the mix.

Imagine how big the queue would be at the local hi-fi store would be if someone announced that the owner of the store would pay you to visit the store..... but really that is what the model is based on.

Whenever we talk to existing PPC advertisers (regardless of whether it is Google, Overture, Espotting or whoever), they always talk of PPC as a "cost". Ultimately PPC is a cashflow issue for most companies. They buy the traffic one month and generate the revenue a little while later. Even in those scenarios there are credit terms available for some companies so the cashflow isn't even an issue.

Ultimately, if it's done well PPC/SEO/SEM/banners/e-mail marketing can all turn a healthy profit.

One thing that surprises me though is how many large organisations are bidding suicidal amounts of money for headline keywords. Ultimately, they will lose money on the day/week/month but may have deep enough pockets for it not to be an issue.

ScottM

1:05 am on Mar 22, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Ok,

The week is over and I can say it looks as though I will have netted (as in 'take home a check') for over $1000.

I still have NOT spent my 'fun budget' of $100.

My wife is very happy, I'm happy, we're all happy.

Kinda cool:>)

mumbles

1:31 am on Mar 22, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I have a site doing very well with a paid Inktomi listing, not yet listed in Google. So I decided to speed things up and do the Google adword thing. Traffic increased.. sales went down. Weirdness