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5:12 pm on Dec 15, 2009 (gmt 0)

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Assuming all of Google's Policies are adhered to, is my son allowed to open an AdWords account?
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They'll probably look for any ties to your account. So he'd probably want to use a different url, a different credit card and maybe a different IP number.

If it's in the same niche, he might want to reorganize campaigns and rewrite ads a little.

But I can't say for sure. Those are just the things I'd look at.

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Would it be your son opening the account or you under his name?

Google gets this a lot...you'll likely need different everything. That still might not even be enough.

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I would counsel against this line of thinking, because if you haven't figured out what triggered your own banning you might end up getting your son banned for life from AdWords as well.

That's not a legacy that a loving parent would want to bestow...

It would be better to set up an incorporated company if you want to try for a fresh start for your own endeavours. Don't run the risk of handicapping your son's business future.

[edited by: buckworks at 7:14 pm (utc) on Dec. 15, 2009]

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Problem is, you can't find out what "triggered your own banning"
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Nutmeg, I appreciate your input but are it sounds like you believe my son would be banned by association. Seems like you are giving me help of how to sneak around the Google ban.

I am curious to know if my son opens his own account and wants to advertise his business on AdWords if he will be allowed without hiding in the shadows?

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It sounds like you are completely above board. I think many misunderstood, because the majority asking this question are just looking for a new conduit to continue promoting the same things that got them banned in the first place (though maybe a little further away from the edge of what Google allows).

If your son does set up an account, I'd assume that Google knows about the relationship. I'd caution him against having any similarities to your banned account. Don't promote the same products, services, website, don't even target the same keywords. If they are clearly separate, and not just a workaround to get you back in the game, I think Google will know that.

Another thought...a lifetime is a long time, especially in the online world. I wouldn't be surprised if Google looks to reinstate some of these accounts at some point down the road. I'd certainly not give Google any more reason to keep me out, months or even years down the road.

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I wasn't necessarily assuming anything, but Google is all about patterns and so forth, so you want to eliminate any kind of a pattern that might lead to an association with a banned account. Look at the people who got booted out just because Google *thinks* that someone who worked on a banned site also worked on their site?

Even if he's in an entirely different niche, I wouldn't use the same credit card, and I'd probably try to avoid using the same IP number if possible.

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Everyone who enters into an agreement with Google is goverened by California laws. If your son signs up, the contract is between your son and Google. If your son is a minor, he can not enter into a legal contract with Google.

I do agree with buckworks on this though and if you really want to make another go at it, form a corporation.

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oops! .. sorry netmeg
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I believe mortgagemax is NOT asking how to get around a Google ban, he's asking if his son will suffer at some later date BECAUSE mortgagemax was banned.

IOW, if years from now mortgagemax-Jr. wants to do Adwords, will he get turned down because mortgagemax-Sr. was previously banned.

Is that right mortgagemax?

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Yes, a totally unrelated business. But good point ... What if he wants to one day do affiliate marketing is he banned for life too?

... The fact that I even have to ask these questions makes me wonder if I still live in America.

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"The fact that I even have to ask these questions makes me wonder if I still live in America"

In case you have not heard, Google is in talks to purchase America. So be careful what you do and what you say, as Google might not only ban you from AdWords, they next might ask you to leave the country... :)

11:33 pm on Dec 19, 2009 (gmt 0)

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live in America

I live in America, help me out,
but I live in America,
wait a minute

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... The fact that I even have to ask these questions makes me wonder if I still live in America.

Google may have (may have, bc I don't know all the details) penalized you unfairly but you don't have a constitutional right to be a Google advertiser. In fact, since your brought America in, Google has and should have the right not to accept your money or do business with you, based on freedom of association alone.

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Do they have the right to decide whether or not to do business with me, sure they do - legally (as of now). But shouldn't I have a right to advertise to the masses through search marketing? Search marketing is becoming the primary vehicle from which people buy goods. The fact they control over 70% of the search market, effectively a monopoly, Google should be required to deal with all advertisers in a fair and equitable way. Then to take it a step further to think that my son maybe banned from ever being able to advertise via search marketing is ludicrous. This does not sound like the America I have always known.
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The fact they control over 70% of the search market, effectively a monopoly, Google should be required to deal with all advertisers in a fair and equitable way.

Buy ads on NBC, Bing, Comcast, small site USA and contact USDOJ to complain about the monopoly.

Of course we don't know what 'mortgagemax' promoted. Maybe the -2.5% a year ones, with 'no string attached' and free fridge to boot?

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Of course we don't know what 'mortgagemax' promoted.

You are right, you dont have a clue .. but I do have a fridge that I thought about slapping a QS=1 in marker on the front of and shipping to editorial for Xmas.

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You are right, you dont have a clue .. but I do have a fridge that I thought about slapping a QS=1 in marker on the front of and shipping to editorial for Xmas.

My guess is that Google is less than thrilled with "Get a mortgage with 1.08% a year. Free Money from Obama" ads.

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Do you have a laptop? Goto the coffeeshop and sign up on wifi. Use a different credit card number. Not rocket science.
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I don't understand why ads that pull your city and place them in the ad content should even be allowed. 99% of them are spam.
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Do you have a laptop? Goto the coffeeshop and sign up on wifi. Use a different credit card number. Not rocket science.

...and make sure to clear all Cookies and to remove any Google software prior to doing so (e.g. Chrome browser, Google toolbar, Google Earth).

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...and make sure to clear all Cookies and to remove any Google software prior to doing so (e.g. Chrome browser, Google toolbar, Google Earth).
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You think he doesn't already tell everyone he knows to do that anyway? :)

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and make sure to clear all Cookies

Basically use a different machine connecting through a different ISP.

Maybe its time he left home and got a place of his own, then there should be no problem at all.

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"...is my son allowed to open an AdWords account?"

OMG! How about trying to write quality content instead of getting your son banned too?

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OMG! How about getting your facts before assuming things. I did not get suspended for writing poor quality content. In fact, I didn't write any content.

As for my son, I was simply curious if this impacts his future ability to open an AdWords account.

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OMG! How about trying to write quality content instead of getting your son banned too?

If you read this carefully, you would figure that the question was totally right - about family member running own stuff - whatever that is.
Being hyper through various threads without making any contribution is really against any forum and therefore such folks are mostly not welcome.
This is like helping an old lady to get across the street. Everyone should ask himself/herself - how many I've helped today?

On the topic:

There is a problem with this based on the history that individuals made - and that is the fact that AdWords have already been abused by using family members to repeat offending that has been performed by the original advertiser. This obviously is the case for organizations too - where person #1 gets banned but person #2 takes it from there.

I would think that as long as the stuff that "a son" is running is different from what dad got banned about - that should make it run.
Certainly, there is no guarantee that son's site will be any more welcomed by AdWords', simply because new sites are really having hard time with Google, when compared to those with the history (even outside PPC, just overall online history).

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Adwords Advertising Program terms are a contract between the (person or company) signing up for adwords and Google. If you actually read the terms and conditions the answer is in the first paragraph.
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The issue isn't really that he's your son... How are they going to know that? Do a background check on Facebook? The issue is whether he opens an account for the same website, or using the same address, or (perhaps) selling the exact same product or service. THEN you've got a similar account situation and Google may decide not to do business with him, which is their choice.
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