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Euro webmasters getting robbed?

         

esllou

10:32 pm on Dec 1, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I live in Italy and set my AdWords account up through google UK as far as I can see. Anyway, they take euros out of my account every month....and not dollars. Everything on the adwords site I use is in Euros.

and I pay a minimum of 5 euro cents per click...which is now something like SIX AND A HALF dollar cents.

what are American webmasters paying and shouldn't Euro webmasters now be paying less due to the dollar's weakness?

Marketing Guy

10:47 pm on Dec 1, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Changes in currency exchange rates are part and parcel of international business. Google is just a supplier, and if you choose to use an overseas supplier, then you choose to pay the cost assosicated with it.

Scott :)

Syzygy

10:48 pm on Dec 1, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Stroll on a global currency...

Syzygy

Later2

11:05 pm on Dec 1, 2004 (gmt 0)

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yeah, the British Pound

instinct

12:25 am on Dec 2, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Same with CDN$ vs USD$ now.

I believe that if you choose to keep your account in CDN (you can keep it in USD if you want which is what I've done) then the minimum bid is C$0.08 (it might be 0.07 - I haven't checked in a while).

Either way its the same problem. Currently C$0.08 is about 6.5 cents USD.

Question for AWA (or anyone else for that matter) - Does Google perform live currency conversion to figure out CPC?

For example, using these numbers (for illustration purposes):

C$0.08 (= USD$0.065)

vs

USD$0.05

Who's ad will appear in the #1 spot, assuming all other things being equal (CTR)?

esllou

11:20 am on Dec 2, 2004 (gmt 0)

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instinct, that is at least what I was hoping. If G makes us pay more, at least give us a higher position.

BTW, it is looking more and more as if the Euro is going to become the global currency. Once organisations like OPEC start using it, its fortunes will be boosted...

Macro

11:35 am on Dec 2, 2004 (gmt 0)

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>>it is looking more and more as if the Euro is going to become the global currency

Why do you think that esllou?

Sanenet

12:10 pm on Dec 2, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Hey, a hundred years ago the international standard was gold, and the currency GBP (GB sterling).

US$ only became the worlds default currency thanks to the huge amounts being thrown around after WWII, and during the cold war.

With the current, ahem, global situation, I could see a number of states deciding to peg their currency to the €uro, especially with it's consistantly strong performance against the $.

Shak

12:12 pm on Dec 2, 2004 (gmt 0)

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lets keep away from POLITICS please

Shak

Sanenet

12:25 pm on Dec 2, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Difficult to discuss currency fluctuations without some politics, so lets steer away from that little warm root tuber.

I feel esllou is correct, if Google is going to allow different currencies into the same marketplace, they should establish a set exchange rate each day against which you convert your €, GBP, etc into US$. (Since they deal with such large amounts, they should have access to the international traders market, meaning they don't have to pay exhorbitant bank currency exchange rates).

I wonder how much they make from skimming off the excess in the currency conversion?

esllou

12:57 pm on Dec 2, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I don't necessarily insist on them having exact currency rates on a daily basis but I think they should look at them at least monthly to see if treating euros and dollars as parity is still fair or not.

At the moment, it is beyond ridiculous that G are still treating 5 euro cents as being worth the same as 5 dollar cents. There is a current 25% difference between the two. I am not having the same position on AW as someone who is paying one and a half cents less than me. That is not a level playing field.

(as for the world currency, many of the poorer nations of the world are busy transferring their hard currency reserves from dollars into euros...and OPEC has threatened to start pricing in euros from now on instead of the traditional dollar. The euro has kicked some big ass in only three years on the scene and I can only see that improving with the economic situation in the States. But then again, the world is full of people who have been made fools of speculating on currencies so what do I know!?)

penfold25

1:06 pm on Dec 2, 2004 (gmt 0)

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well to put things into perspective for ppl out there, the Euro is not going well, it is only an ALTERNATIVE to investing in the dollar. Many European countries are going through high levels of debt and the strong euro currency does not help tourism which is one of its major products. I dont see that many Europeans going to the US versus US going to europe and i dont expect that to change any time soon. US exports will increase as they are more competitive in the global market. So we know the US isnt going to good, but eventually when the troops come back to the US, thats going to be billions saved. Its actually in the US best interests to keep the dollar down, so be negative all you want :)

richyrich

1:13 pm on Dec 2, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I assume that live currency coversions are used when deciding the position of ads. They must be, 10 of my british pennies cant possibly be counted the same as 10 US cents. Can they?

Sanenet

1:30 pm on Dec 2, 2004 (gmt 0)

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"10 of my british pennies cant possibly be counted the same as 10 US cents"

That's what we want to find out. esllou, have you tried asking adwords support to find out what the situation is? Can't find anything in the help files about this.

Nikke

1:58 pm on Dec 2, 2004 (gmt 0)

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For Sweden, the minimum bid is 50 öre (0.5 SEK), which today is equivalent to
0.055 Euro (5.5 cents)
0.075 US$ (7.5 cents)
0,04 GB£ (4 cents)

Guess if I'm kicking myself for not signing up a US$ account?

Macro

2:10 pm on Dec 2, 2004 (gmt 0)

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>>0,04 GB£ (4 cents)

don't confuse us with that mickey mouse "cents" stuff. Fractions of a £ are quoted in "pennies" ;)

Nikke

2:11 pm on Dec 2, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I just sent a question to the head of sales of Google Scandinavia. Hope I'll get an answer. With the US$ going down at this fast rate, this is really becoming an issue that we need to know about.

esllou

2:15 pm on Dec 2, 2004 (gmt 0)

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gonna ask AW support now.....

(I look forward to their convoluted "currency fluctuations aren't our fault" response that I expect)

delizia

3:54 pm on Dec 2, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I have two "parallel" accounts - I created the US$ one when I saw that I would save 25% on my €uro one (for minimum bids). So I have half my ads in each.

It may be because I created them earlier with better targets, but my €uro ads seem to be always in better positions than the $ ones, which suggests that the exchange rate is taken into consideration, that is, a 0.05€ bid would seem to be worth more than a 0.05$ one.

This is not a serious stat though, just a hunch.

instinct

11:06 pm on Dec 2, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Not only that, but what about people in other countries whose min CPC is favourable to them? For example I think I read somewhere here that Brazil's minimum bid is equal to $US 0.03 (?)

This would have a huge impact on low-margin campaigns, sometime 0.05 min cpc is too much for certain things.

-instinct

instinct

11:10 pm on Dec 2, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Regarding global currencies...

I think Google would be smart to introduce their own currency for use on the internet. They could call it the 'Goodollar'

;-)

esllou

2:14 am on Dec 3, 2004 (gmt 0)

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nope, the Geuro/Goouro

chrisgarrett

12:11 pm on Dec 3, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Isnt it against TOS to have to google accounts even if they are in different countries? If not then I am signing up for a US account! :)

Macro

1:14 pm on Dec 3, 2004 (gmt 0)

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No, no more euros please! Even if they have a "G" in front. How about Googlepound or Poodle? :)

esllou

4:33 pm on Dec 3, 2004 (gmt 0)

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right, they got back to me.

as expected, they said won't be changing minimum amounts BUT that they check exchange rates once a day and people paying 5 euro cents do get higher positions than US webmasters paying 5 dollar cents - and even US webmaster paying SIX dollar cents at current exchange rates.

I feel happier now. Not able to bid as low a price as American webmasters, but at least we get higher positions because of it.

Means US ads kept at the same rate are slowly slipping down the rankings too.

instinct

5:18 pm on Dec 3, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Our Canadian Dollar will never be a global currency but 'GOONIE' does sound the best ;-)

For those who don't know 'Loonie' is Canadian slang for our dollar coin, because it has a Loon on it. (By Loon I mean the bird, not former PM Jean Chretien)

/OT

On an on topic note, glad to hear G is applying daily exchange rates and ranking accordingly. Thats good news.