First page bids?

[SEMblahblah]

This has probably been asked/answered b4..I just don't know whr!
1) If my k/w bid is below the 1st page estimated bid, does it appear on the 2nd, 3rd pages at all?
2) Now, wht if thr is very little or no competition for tht k/w and I still get the same msg? When thr are less than 11 competitors for a k/w I'd assume thr would be no second page..so wht happens in this case?
Wht does "bid is below the 1st page estimated bid" imply here?Is it as good as marking my k/w "inactive" like it previously happened?

[Meat Curtian]

Welcome to Google.

As soon as you figure out your questions, they'll (Google) will probably change the playing field....

[cyberandroid]

1)possibly
2)dont assume that
test with [google.com...]

[Swanson]

3) When did txt (can't be arsed) language become something you can use here?

[Swanson]

Actually it is great - you probably can't read the dashboard instructions for Google Adwords so that means more traffic for us literate grown ups! Excellent!

[shorebreak]

Swnsn, u hv no need 2 pck on ppl like tht!

[cyberandroid]

because everyone here dosent understand uk (english) slang
arsed refers to ass which in turn refers to a donkey

but in this phrase it would translate to
can't be arsed = can't be bothered to give a #*$!

in this sentence it could be replaced by can't be understood
without affecting readability or meaning significantly

3) When did txt (can't be understood) language become something you can use here?

[koncept]

To answer your second question I will just tell you my experience. I have a couple keywords with the "bid 'more' for first page" warning on them. However, there are only about 4 advertisers bidding on the keywords, so I am always on the first page regardless of google trying to tell me otherwise. I have confirmed this by doing test searches, and also by the column telling me that my average position is 3.2

[SEMblahblah]

Well, I have a couple of keywords with the same warning message. I can't see my ads for the same inspite of the fact that they have no competition at all. Had spoken to Google rep about it...hoping to get a reply soon!
Swanson - you understand this?

[edited by: SEMblahblah at 5:09 am (utc) on Sep. 23, 2008]

[koncept]

Well, even if there are no other advertisers, there is a threshold bid that you must meet for your ad to show.

I tested this by bidding 1 cent for a keyword with only 3 advertisers. My ad did not show. I bid about 40 cents and it's back. However, I have found that I do not have to bid the first page min they ask for (75 cents) for my ad to show.

How does one know how much to bid in these cases? I don't know. Any ideas?

[JBrown]

Minimum bids have not gone away. Google is just using new language that makes it seem that way.

I have a keyword where the bid is below the first page bid estimate. There are zero ads showing for that keyword. I click on the magnifying glass and it says: "This keyword isn't triggering ads to appear on Google or the search network."

Basically, Google doesn't like ads on that keyword unless you are going to give them the price they want. It would be nice if they used a different designation for that. Maybe have "bid is too low because of competition" and "bid is too low because of Google/quality/whatever".