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Can you produce 'Search Network' only report?

i.e excluding 'Google Search'

         

mrclark

1:42 pm on Mar 23, 2008 (gmt 0)

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I've just turned on 'Search Network' to give it 24 hours or so, to see if my conversion rate improves or not - yet I want to compare 'Google Search' stats (what I've had it as from the beginning) with 'Search network' stats (what I've just added in).

What's the easiest way to do this? I want to compare CTR, clicks, impressions, conversions etc, but it appears that it's all lumped together.

Any advice appreciated.

jkwilson78

3:05 pm on Mar 24, 2008 (gmt 0)

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Unfortunately there is no way to do this.

Separating Google Search stats from Search Network stats has been been one of the most requested features from Adwords users for years.

avalon37

4:10 pm on Mar 24, 2008 (gmt 0)

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There is no way for US to do this; Google could make this data easily available.

shorebreak

8:08 pm on Mar 24, 2008 (gmt 0)

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If Google's entire advertiser base suddenly became aware of all the crap in the search network and which is being forced on those wanting AOL and Ask traffic, there would be an uproar the likes of which Google hasn't ever seen.

Google is, IMO, guilty of distribution fraud = selling search network as 'search' traffic, when in fact a large part of it is contextual traffic or domain traffic that converts - surprise - at a much, much, lower rate than search traffic.

RhinoFish

1:15 pm on Mar 25, 2008 (gmt 0)

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Search and Content behave differently and should be targeted and controlled separately. Make campaigns for each and your reporting problem will also then be solved.

[edited by: RhinoFish at 1:16 pm (utc) on Mar. 25, 2008]

chief72

1:19 pm on Mar 25, 2008 (gmt 0)

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Read the question again RhinoFish.

This is where Google loses all credibility re. the quality issue.

RhinoFish

1:46 pm on Mar 26, 2008 (gmt 0)

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Yep, I missed the question for sure! Re-read and back on track now...

All I know to recommend is to run with and without search network for two equal test periods and compare the results to try to measure the impact of the marginal cost, sales, etc when the Search Network is in play.

mrclark

1:53 pm on Mar 26, 2008 (gmt 0)

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Rhino, so producing 2 campaigns (1 with Google only + 1 with Search Network only) could be an idea?

jkwilson78

3:23 pm on Mar 26, 2008 (gmt 0)

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so producing 2 campaigns (1 with Google only + 1 with Search Network only) could be an idea?

Unfortunately you can't do this. You can turn the search network off to run a Google only campaign but you can't turn the Google network off to run a Search Network only campaign.

I think what he was suggesting was to run one campaign with just Google enabled and track the results, then enable the search network in the same campaign and run it for the same amount of time and compare the results to see if enabling the search network hurt or helped.

mrclark

4:17 pm on Mar 26, 2008 (gmt 0)

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Ok thanks. That's a shame you can't do that. I'd have been able to track them both at the same time then.

smallcompany

4:27 pm on Mar 26, 2008 (gmt 0)

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Hard to grasp they cannot offer such report. I asked for that in "Google AdWords wish" post.

I see Google doing some (not all) stuff in the way where as long as people make a penny through them, Google will continue (mis)using that fact.
We all cry but we all still advertise.

You could create 2 campaigns and in "Google only" set your bid to what you want it to be. In “Google + Search” set you bid for 1/4 or more lower then in the first one.

Rehan

4:30 pm on Mar 26, 2008 (gmt 0)

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It's not possible to advertise on Search Network only. Your only options are Google only or Google + Search Network.

I haven't tested this setup yet but what might work is to have two identical campaigns, one for Google only (Campaign A) and the other for Google + Search Network (Campaign B). Set the bids for ad groups in Campaign A $0.01 higher than the corresponding bids for Campaign B. Then, on Google Campaign A will be shown because it has the higher bids, and on the Search Network Campaign B will be shown. That should allow you to better analyze the performance of the Search Network.

mrclark

5:15 pm on Mar 26, 2008 (gmt 0)

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"Then, on Google Campaign A will be shown because it has the higher bids"

Doesn't CTR come into play?

Rehan

7:22 pm on Mar 26, 2008 (gmt 0)

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From what I've read, the QS of a keyword/ad text pair carries over to different campaigns (and even to different accounts). So if your keywords and ad text are the same, then the CTR difference between Campaign A and Campaign B shouldn't matter in determining which one is shown.

smallcompany

7:25 pm on Mar 26, 2008 (gmt 0)

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If your campaigns are the same, your CTR should be better on Google only. In addition, your bids will be lower in G+S campaign.

Remember this is all work around and not a dedicated solution. There is no perfect thing here. Even with stuff that Google has made for us to use, we still get “so so” results. Look at the “search query report” example. It's not perfect. Yet, it is still better to have it as it is, than not to have it at all.

Anyway, you can do the setup as suggested, and use some tools in order to figure which campaign is showing on Google. I can think of two so far:

- ad diagnostic tool
- AdWords preview tool (here you would need to make your ad text different)

RhinoFish

1:01 pm on Mar 27, 2008 (gmt 0)

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"Your only options are Google only or Google + Search Network."

Correct. So the best you can do is to run equal time test periods under each, assume the "Google" performs at same ratios during both your "Google" and "Google + Search Network" runs, back out the "Google" results from the latter, leaving you with the results for "Search Network".

It's not easy or clean and it introduces test variability, but sometimes you'll want to know what the Search Network is doing and a relativistic inspection is about all you can do.

As time passes, G gives us more and more info and more and more control, so I'd expect that we'll eventually have split-able reporting or at least the ability to run Search Network stand alone (without being forced to run it in combo with G itself). I look forward to then. :-)