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Any retailers converting AdWords traffic REALLY well?

         

Tonearm

1:58 am on Jun 18, 2007 (gmt 0)

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Are any retailers converting AdWords traffic at a really high rate after a lot of optimization? I've started really digging into AdWords and I'm wondering what is possible.

Rehan

2:08 am on Jun 18, 2007 (gmt 0)

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Depends on what you mean by "really high rate"...

oziman

6:32 am on Jun 18, 2007 (gmt 0)

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also depends on what you're selling.

engagement rings are different then pet food..

irldonalb

10:56 am on Jun 18, 2007 (gmt 0)

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I've a client in a niche industry and he's can't believe how well AdWords converts.

Stats for last month
Spent: $60 (approx)
Conversions: 78
Sales Value: $3000-4000 (approx)

Of course this is an exceptionally good client.

Regards
Donal

Tonearm

2:14 pm on Jun 18, 2007 (gmt 0)

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At this point, I see two main ways to market with AdWords:

1. get everyone to click
2. get only converters to click

I've been frustrated by #1 costing too much money with too few conversions, so I'm delving into #2 and I see a lot of potential to make it work. With all the tools at our disposal, a lot can be done to weed out non-converters before they click and cost money. I would think that kind of optimization would eventually yield a conversion rate much higher than, say, organic traffic, and I'm wondering how much higher it can get.

How much better does your AdWords traffic convert than your organic traffic?

Tonearm

2:15 pm on Jun 18, 2007 (gmt 0)

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duplicate post, sorry

[edited by: Tonearm at 2:16 pm (utc) on June 18, 2007]

poster_boy

3:10 pm on Jun 18, 2007 (gmt 0)

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How much better does your AdWords traffic convert than your organic traffic?

Anywhere from equal to 20x. The difference depends on how well your organic traffic is maximized and how deep your Adwords keyword list goes...

netmeg

4:29 pm on Jun 18, 2007 (gmt 0)

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I have one client in a particularly good niche with around 1200 specialty products, and his CTR and conversion rates are so good that even the AdWords people can't believe it.

But that's far and away the exception amongst my client base.

I spend a lot of time trying write really really really tight ads for these products, building up the product information on the landing pages, and making sure those ads go directly to the right pages.

JBrown

7:57 pm on Jun 18, 2007 (gmt 0)

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>1. get everyone to click
>2. get only converters to click

Just remember that by using strategy number 2 you are lowering your CTR and thus quality score.

These days it's a careful balancing act between scaring off casual-clickers and maintaining a high enough CTR to appease the QS gods.

Tonearm

9:43 pm on Jun 18, 2007 (gmt 0)

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JBrown,

Can #1 be a successful strategy?

Is there a particular CTR to be sure not to drop below?

irldonalb

7:38 am on Jun 19, 2007 (gmt 0)

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Just remember that by using strategy number 2 you are lowering your CTR and thus quality score.

Not necessarily. Spending time writing proper keywords rather than taking the lazy approach can result in a higher CTR thus a better quality score.

JBrown

2:40 pm on Jun 19, 2007 (gmt 0)

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See irldonalb's response. You can go the #1 route if you choose very targeted keywords (where anyone clicking would more likely be a buyer).

There are some niches were I write ads to discourage clicks from consumers. I lose at least a few of those keywords because it is hard to maintain a high CTR when you are only targeting a segment of the people searching that term. In cases like this, negative keywords can help, but they don't solve all problems.

To my knowledge, there aren't any guidelines on CTR anymore. It's merely one factor in Quality Score and that is what Google uses for pricing, placement, and if your ad can even show.

If I were you, I would do some testing with ads to discourage casual browsers. You can probably get to a point where you are lowering the CTR, but still maintaining a high-enough Quality Score to be active. Make sure to include a sizeable list of negative keywords (free, etc.)

Tonearm

1:00 am on Jun 20, 2007 (gmt 0)

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Today I set up separate ad groups for general broad match keywords where I try to filter casual clickers with the ad text and bid low, and specific exact match keywords where I try to encourage clicks with ad text and bid high. Sounds pretty good?

JBrown

2:34 pm on Jun 20, 2007 (gmt 0)

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That's not a bad strategy. I would still add some negative keywords for the broad-match terms. These days broad match seems to be even broader.

A good starting place is the Google Keyword Suggestion tool. Type your high-traffic broad-match terms into there and use negatives for anything that doesn't apply.

Tonearm

3:24 pm on Jun 20, 2007 (gmt 0)

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Yeah, judging by my logs, negative keywords are a must. I add them as I see them. Thanks JBrown.