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Top AdWords positions do not convert well

higher bid = lower conversion

         

mimmo

11:33 am on Jan 29, 2007 (gmt 0)

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So... we raised our bids in a couple of campaigns we run, in order to get to position 1 or 2 in Adwords (without changing anything else).

After 4 days of testing we found out that:

- More impressions
- More clicks (~30%)
- Much higher CPC (~100%)! So much higher overall costs.
- Much lower conversions! low quality visitors!

So why is that? Our theory is:

- The ads on the top 2 positions, especially if above organic results on the left, are clicked on much easier, and they attract many more 'casual' visitors.
- If a customer is really looking for the product you sell he/she will go pass the first 2 ads. If he/she checks out position 3 to 7, for example, he/she is really seriously looking into buy something.
- I have the theory that *potential buyers* NEVER click ONLY on the top ad. They will check at least 3-4, and they more they check the more time they are investing in the search, so potentially these are the best customers.

Honestly I did not expect these results... we will continue testing for another week or so to be sure...

But if the above is true, the whole <bid higher theory> to be on top positions is very much incorrect. The positions that convert better are positions 3 / 4 to 6 / 7!

Comments?

eWhisper

1:36 pm on Jan 29, 2007 (gmt 0)

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I'm a firm believer (and have the stats to back it up) that conversion rates by position depend on the industry and/or product.

There are certain industries where the need is immediate and often the top ads are the best converting positions.

There are other industries where there are more shoppers, and the ads on the right are higher converting.

It's best to test conversion rates by ad position. Of course, keyword/ad copy/landing page tweaking can change the conversion rates significantly as well regardless of ad position.

And overall, don't forget that a lower conversion rate but more total visitors can be more profitable than a high conversion rate and few visitors.

Here's an example of just one site:
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netmeg

5:47 pm on Jan 29, 2007 (gmt 0)

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I've done really well for some clients bidding for the #3 to #5 position. I'm of the opinion that anyone who's really looking for something (and that's pretty much who we want) will eyeball the entire list of ads by now. In the three niches where I've tried it heavily, we got about the same or slightly more conversions, but our CPCs went WAY down, which meant we were spending the same but getting a lot more clicks and conversions. Everybody won.

wrgvt

6:19 pm on Jan 29, 2007 (gmt 0)

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There really is no "one size fits all" answer for this. I have ads that I want in first or second position in the blue bar at the top. They get lots of clicks and convert well. Other ads work best in the 3rd-5th position. Being at the top gets too many curious people not interested in purchasing, at least not yet. And there are ads that convert best around the 8th or 9th position.

It's a matter of figuring it out the optimal position for each ad and paying close attention to what works for it.

cline

9:48 pm on Jan 29, 2007 (gmt 0)

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Did you get MUCH higher impressions on a broadmatch term? If so what's probably happened is that your high bid triggered Adwords to engage expanded broadmatch and to show your ad on targeting other than what you chose.

mimmo

10:26 pm on Jan 29, 2007 (gmt 0)

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Did you get MUCH higher impressions on a broadmatch term? If so what's probably happened is that your high bid triggered Adwords to engage expanded broadmatch and to show your ad on targeting other than what you chose.

That was a factor, but not the only one...

Basically what happened is that we had the same amount of overall conversions, but we paid much higher CPC and since we had many more visitors the conversion rate was 3 times lower!

QualityNonsense

9:25 am on Jan 30, 2007 (gmt 0)

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top 2 positions...are clicked on much easier, and they attract many more 'casual' visitors.

...however, I've often found that CPC may fall as your CTR rises (since it can really soar in the top spots).

If a customer is really looking for the product you sell he/she will go pass the first 2 ads

As eWhisper said, this sort of thing will vary hugely by industry. For mortgages, you'd likely be correct. For more casual purchases, like ringtones, perhaps the opposite would be true.

eWhisper

11:23 am on Jan 30, 2007 (gmt 0)

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If you are using Google Analytics & goals, there is a report that gives you conversion rates by keyword by position.

It's very interesting to see how these numbers vary.

cline

5:45 pm on Jan 30, 2007 (gmt 0)

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That was a factor, but not the only one...

Basically what happened is that we had the same amount of overall conversions, but we paid much higher CPC and since we had many more visitors the conversion rate was 3 times lower!

That also describes the symtoms of getting killed on expanded broadmatch. Your CPC goes sky high as you are forced to compete on less-relevant terms.

Try it again using exact match and see if you get the same results. Or better, but it requires near-clarivoyance, try to figure out what the undesirable high-volume expanded broadmatch is.

mimmo

10:41 pm on Jan 30, 2007 (gmt 0)

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As eWhisper said, this sort of thing will vary hugely by industry. For mortgages, you'd likely be correct. For more casual purchases, like ringtones, perhaps the opposite would be true.

I agree