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AdWords Discounter

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Zealot

4:13 pm on Jan 18, 2007 (gmt 0)

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Dear experts,

If we assume an unrealistic scenario where 3 bidders are bidding on the same term with the same quality score and bids as follows:

Advertiser 1: $2.00
Advertiser 2: $1.99
Advertiser 3: $1.00

I understand that the actual cpc will depend on the quality score but I'm interested to find out how the system behaves in a ceteris paribus state. In other words does it discount from bottom to top ie:

Advertiser 1: $1.02
Advertiser 2: $1.01
Advertiser 3: $1.00

or does it go from top to bottom:

Advertiser 1: $2.00
Advertiser 2: $1.01
Advertiser 3: $1.00

In the latter case advertiser 1 has to pay $2.00 because this is 1 cent above the competitor from below, while advertiser 2 pays only $1.01 utilising a big gap.

Many thanks,

Zealot

poster_boy

4:41 pm on Jan 18, 2007 (gmt 0)

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A recent, yet unresolved, thread on a similar topic:

[webmasterworld.com...]

Doubt it'll answer your question (not sure a Google outsider would know?), but some interesting perspectives...

Zealot

12:32 pm on Jan 19, 2007 (gmt 0)

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Thanks for pointing me poster_ boy, that was an interesting discussion. I wonder if anyone else can share their thoughts on this.

Zealot

flo6790

10:43 pm on Jan 19, 2007 (gmt 0)

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In a second price sealed bid auction, the bids are adjusted bottom to top. See Vickrey auctions: [en.wikipedia.org ]

Hope this helps.

exmoorbeast

10:59 am on Jan 21, 2007 (gmt 0)

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I disagree with a lot of what you guys are saying, based on slide 4 of this presentation from Google

[services.google.com...]

Hope that helps.

Zealot

4:37 pm on Jan 21, 2007 (gmt 0)

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Thanks for your reply exmoorbeast, I came from this slide in first place.

I replaced the advertisers bids with 2.00, 1.99, 1.00 respectively and fixed the quality score to 1.5 for all advertisers which naturally suggests an equal min. bid of 0.04 for all. Then applying the formulas used in the table, I ended up with Rank # 3.00, 2.99, 1.50, and actual cpc of 2.00, 1.01, 0.04 respectively.

Am I correct in assuming that this is the default behaviour of the bidding engine given an equal quality score?

AdWordsAdvisor2

1:47 am on Jan 22, 2007 (gmt 0)

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Zealot,

If we remove the impact of their individual quality scores and just assign them all a QS of 1, with the advertisers bids set at:

Advertiser 1: $2.00
Advertiser 2: $1.99
Advertiser 3: $1.00

The actual CPC for each advertiser would be:

Advertiser 1: $2.00
Advertiser 2: $1.01
Advertiser 3: $0.05

This is a very simplified scenario, but the basic principle remains the same when the quality scores start to diverge. I am also assuming here that the minimum CPC for that term is $0.05, which is not always true.

AWA2

bigdealioo

4:00 pm on Jan 23, 2007 (gmt 0)

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The fact is that "the Discounter" is another clever PR myth. It does NOT work as described by Google. If you happened to Max Bid much more than is "neccesary" according to their publicized formula - they have no problem going ahead and charging you thru the nose.

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