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Why Did the Price Go Up?

         

cabbagehead

10:50 pm on Oct 20, 2006 (gmt 0)

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I created a bunch of new ad tests last week. I'm reviewing them now and I see something interesting. A few keyphrases that I got signficiant traffic for in the first few days, only to have Google pause them and tell me I need to increase my bid by 25%.

Umm...why would they do that? I had the keyphrase in my ad AND in my landing page, and its directly on topic for my website. So, could this possible be a quality score issue? Something else?

Another (unrelated) oddity. I found a keyprhase which costs $5.00 per click before I can be active, though the average in this niche is about 10-15 cents! I typed in the phrase on Google and I see only 2 active ads for this key phrase. Again, my ad and my landing page are on topic and contain the keyphrase. So, again ..why would this be?!?!?

Fryman

8:59 am on Oct 21, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Quality score

cabbagehead

10:36 pm on Oct 21, 2006 (gmt 0)

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> "Quality score "

... ummm - k. thanks but I think that qualifies as a non-answer. Can you/somone please explain? First off, perhaps I'm not entirely clear on this quality score concept but second - given what I described, I don't see where quality is an issue per se.

cabbagehead

10:36 pm on Oct 21, 2006 (gmt 0)

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> "Quality score "

... ummm - k. thanks but I think that qualifies as a non-answer. Can you/somone please explain? First off, perhaps I'm not entirely clear on this quality score concept but second - given what I described, I don't see where quality is an issue per se.

Fryman

1:27 am on Oct 22, 2006 (gmt 0)

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That is your answer, if you can't understand then maybe you need to do other things instead of trying to be a webmaster.

cabbagehead

4:45 am on Oct 22, 2006 (gmt 0)

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> "i hate dealing with clients though. its better than working for someone else but still not ideal until you get rid of the clients."

Dude - are you kidding me with this crap? Get a life!

Car_Guy

4:56 am on Oct 22, 2006 (gmt 0)

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You could read up on what's already been said about quality score:


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cabbagehead

7:30 am on Oct 22, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Thanks car guy .. I'll take a look.

By the way - the post to which I was saying "are you kidding" was the wrong one. This is what I was referring to (below):

> "That is your answer, if you can't understand then maybe you need to do other things instead of trying to be a webmaster. "

toddb

3:33 pm on Oct 22, 2006 (gmt 0)

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I alos am confused as to how 6 keywords can be .10 and the 7th keyword is $10.00.

trannack

3:45 pm on Oct 22, 2006 (gmt 0)

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I think this is a good question - that deserves attention, not abuse. This issue has arisen before, however, it is sometimes difficult to locate the right answer to specific questions.

It could perhaps be that this keyword or phrase is highly competitive - more so than the others. Maybe you could try a separate adgroup specifically targeted at this word or phrase. Make sure the landing page is directly relevant and is up and running.

I have heard of people having this situation when their server has been down when Google reviewed the page - they can't see the page to give you a QS therefore hike the price.

I am sure there are a whole host of things you could try. Feed back to us so we can help you more!

Pengi

3:47 pm on Oct 22, 2006 (gmt 0)

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That is your answer, if you can't understand then maybe you need to do other things instead of trying to be a webmaster.

Unwarranted rant following a fair question.

Looking through the threads on this forum, it is clear that none of us (possibly excluding rbacal) are really clear on wht the quality score algorithm is really all about and how it works.

Yes - those who've been around this thread for a while will instantly recognise a $10 mininum as the QS algoritm at work - but that's hardly a sufficient answer is it.

Car_Guy's link will cover at least some of the background.

[edited by: Pengi at 3:48 pm (utc) on Oct. 22, 2006]

aeiouy

4:27 pm on Oct 22, 2006 (gmt 0)

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It could be quality score, it could be CTR. When you first start a campaign you are tagged with a baseline CTR based on Adwords experience with the keyword in general. Once you establish your own CTR for the keyword, your bid can be adjusted upon that data. If you underperform, your bid price will go up. If you overperform it can go down.

Quality score can also impact it, but for a 25% increase I would look at CTR first and do some multiple ad testing to see if you can't create some better ads that give you better CTR.