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Keyword Pruning affecting performance

How much can I change?

         

Pengi

11:41 am on Aug 15, 2006 (gmt 0)

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About 3 weeks ago after adding a few new AdGoups I started receiving warnings about the number of keywords in my account reaching an unmanagable level - overzealous with the Keywords Tool I guess.
I did some rigorous pruning using the find and edit tool and AdWords editor and the warning was cleared. For the next fortnight performance on my site dropped off significantly - then returned.
Adding some new campaigns I again started to receive warnings about too many keywords - more pruning, but this time I left some campaigns alone. The "pruned" campaigns again dropped off (just staring to recover) those that were untouched continued to improve.
It seems that just be removing Keywords that receive zero impressions affects the site performance.
Has anyone else noticed this?
If it's a real effect, how many keywords can I remove without affecting performance.

RockSolidWes

2:05 pm on Aug 15, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Do you promote via content network? From my understanding, your keywords may not have any impressions on the search network -- but are still active on the content network. Therefore, a keyword (or combination of keywords) may trigger your ad to show on some sites.

In addition, it usally take about 8 days for your site to become fully distributed in the content network after changes. So, changing your keywords may adjust the 'theme' of your ad group, and so Google may re-evaluate your theme -- at that point, it would take about 8 days to be fully 'live.'

If I were you, I would e-mail support and ask them to increase your limit on keywords. I hear they do this on a case-by-case basis. But your account has to already be fully optimized (nice clean ad groups, organized by theme, and carefully selected ad groups).

If I were you I would download Google's "Maximum Effect" workbook and make sure your account follows their best practices before you make such a request.

Pengi

4:51 pm on Aug 15, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Thanks Wes
I wasn't aware of Google's Maximum Effect Workbook - read it and learnt some more stuff (Hadn't realised I should use "Online" in my Ad Healines and didn't know that they disabled any Ad not delivering at least 0.5% click through - after how long I wonder?)

I was aware it seems takes a week or two before a new AdGroup is assessed and properly running. What I've noticed is that REMOVING too many Keywords form an AdGroup that is running OK seems to put the AdGroup back in for reassessment.

Hipsoul

6:59 pm on Aug 15, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Exactly.

So consider this...
if you find that one of your AdGroups is doing particularly well,
don't change anything!

What this means is that your ads are showing up on a "partner site" that's a good match for whatever it is your selling...
if you change your adgroup, you'll lose that good match as Google re-evaluates your "new" adgroup.

I lost a LOT of money back when I discovered this snafu...

One adgroup was pulling in $5k a day for almost a year,
paused the account inadvertantly one day, the next day it was all gone.

That was my very first adwords campaign, dumb luck at it's best.
I've never found anything as good since...

...and I wasn't tracking referrers back then. DOH!

AdWordsAdvisor

10:36 pm on Aug 15, 2006 (gmt 0)

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It seems that just be removing Keywords that receive zero impressions affects the site performance.
Has anyone else noticed this?

This would be a new one to me, as a direct cause and effect relationship although I'll explore a bit further, since I've been surprised before. ;) The explanation proposed by RockSolidWes, as quoted below, could theoretically be at work.

So, changing your keywords may adjust the 'theme' of your ad group, and so Google may re-evaluate your theme -- at that point, it would take about 8 days to be fully 'live.'

On another subject:

If I were you I would download Google's "Maximum Effect" workbook and make sure your account follows their best practices before you make such a request.

I wasn't aware of Google's Maximum Effect Workbook - read it and learnt some more stuff (Hadn't realised I should use "Online" in my Ad Healines and didn't know that they disabled any Ad not delivering at least 0.5% click through - after how long I wonder?)

This document, while excellent in it's time, is outdated. The information quoted just above has not been correct for a year or so. Please tell me you aren't finding this doc anywhere in the AdWords Help Center. ;)

AWA

Pengi

8:19 am on Aug 16, 2006 (gmt 0)

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AWA
Although I didn't find the "Maximum Effect" workbook directly identified in theAdWords Help Centre, I did find it by using the on-site search facility there.

What parts of it are out of date? Is there something up to date I should be reading?
I'm just about to start work addressing all my AdGroups with a CTR below 0.5% - is this still valid?

RockSolidWes

5:34 pm on Aug 16, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Oh, I didn't realize it was that out of date. I just remembered it was really helpful when I first read it. Sorry for bad info.

Check out section 3, sub-section a of the 'adwords learning center' videos. And entire section 6.

I'm not AWA, but I hope those sections help you.