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Has anyone actually -legitimately- gotton around NEW algo?

Not December '05 change. The July 11th change.

         

tv33

1:19 pm on Jul 30, 2006 (gmt 0)

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There's been a lot of talk about creating privacy pages, external links, contact pages, etc, which I think is fine, BUT one thing I've noticed is that NOONE has said Google reevaluated their page since July 11th and restored the bid minimums. It's always "back in December 05 when I was hit I did this and they eventually let me back". That's great, but what about the LATEST change? It's been almost 3 weeks and I haven't seen anyone say they corrected it without changing the domain name.

Anyone have success with the new algo on reevaluation yet?

limoshawn

12:23 pm on Aug 3, 2006 (gmt 0)

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To enter into discussion topics JUST to push an anti-google agenda just ruins things for everyone, just like email spammers do, and click fraudsters, etc.

And what have you added to this thread that pertains to the poster's question?

ebuilder

12:27 pm on Aug 3, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Exactly right..They have added nothing...Their only function here is damage control...the only question is are they paid to do this...Google employee or not they talk about others sites they know something even when they are ashamed to add the link to thier site in their profiles...

deep_alley

6:48 pm on Aug 3, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Display: www.bluewidgets.com

Actual: www.widgets.com

Well I was under the assumption that your ad would get disapproved if this was the case. Mine have in the past.

Alex_Miles

7:17 pm on Aug 3, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Another thread hijacking in progress.

So I see. Wheres EFV? Holiday?

hdpt00

7:21 pm on Aug 3, 2006 (gmt 0)



lol.

OceanDoctor

11:57 pm on Aug 3, 2006 (gmt 0)

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deep_alley: The only written guidance from Google on display URL is pretty thin. If you click on the "?" besides "Display URL" when adding a text ad, the following is displayed:

"Display URL: This is the URL displayed on your ad to identify your site to users. This URL displayed is limited to 35 characters; it need not be the same as the URL your ad links to, but it should be an actual URL that is part of your site."

Technically, since I owned both www.bluewidgets.com and www.widgets.com (the landing page) and since they were interlinked (i.e., www.bluewidgets.com is "part of [my] site"), I thought I had complied with the above guidelines. I guess Google did, too, since this worked without incident for nearly two years until the latest change.

netchicken1

12:12 am on Aug 4, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Although its easy to label people who are complaining about Google as mere 'whiners' with bad sites or thread hijackers with an adgenda, I don't think thats fair.

I have been here a few years, mostly lurking, and at present the board is the most anti-google I have ever seen it.

There must be some underlying truth to the cries of webmasters to generate such an overwhelming avalanche of critisism. Although I have not had any problems with Google, maybe I am just lucky.

Google's silence and obstanancy are only driving webmasters away to the opposition. This cannot be good, if WW is a microcosm of the internet in general.

ebuilder

1:08 am on Aug 4, 2006 (gmt 0)

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"Google's silence and obstanancy are only driving webmasters away to the opposition."

So true. I sell a software application. If after 2 years of learning how to use my software I told my client or clients, I am now going to charge you 100 - 200 times more each month and would not offer them any support on how they could avoid the price increase, just sat there and said nothing, I would imagine that I not only would lose existing customers but also many potential new customers who were considering using my product once the word got out...I spent 2 years learning how to use Googles SOFTWARE. I just expected more than a vague reference to a new policy. WHy not help me and others meet those new specifications. Not just price us out of the market without a word....I simply expected more that's all....

rbacal

2:20 am on Aug 4, 2006 (gmt 0)



I have been here a few years, mostly lurking, and at present the board is the most anti-google I have ever seen it.

True. Heck, I don't quibble with people who don't like google, everyone is entitled. But the thing that gets me is that the comments are not constructive or useful to anyone, and they get inserted into so many threads by the same people over and over again.

Don't those folks have better things to do?

There's a good conversation about google communication that's going on with some good stuff and bad, and with google employees participating, and I'd think if people wanted to express their concerns so they might make a difference they'd participate, and do so civilly, in a business like manner. NONE of the thread hijackers in this thread have done so.

Maybe it's because they have trouble writing more than two word messages. Who knows.

But the people who have been hijacking threads ARE ruining it for people who have better things to do than listen to "google screwed me" rants.

Anyway, that's fine. I don't have to come to webmasterworld, just like they don't have to use google, and if webmasterworld is going to allow this kind of hijacking, and the discussions are no longer useful, I won't post, or try to help others if I can. And, if it continues, I simply won't come, even to read.

It's no big deal for me. But it is kind of sad that the noise is drowning out the signal, and it's become impossible to carry on informed, intelligent conversations without the threads being pulled into the "google screwed me" hijackers.

eWhisper

2:40 am on Aug 4, 2006 (gmt 0)

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To pull the thread back on topic...

Yes, I've seen an account go from low min bids, to $10, do a ton of work, and then bring the mins back to $0.04-$0.12 (in fact, some of the keywords are lower than they were before).

It is possible to have your site worked on, re-evaluated, and the mins change.

In this instance, it was a lead gen site that was a single page site with very little content (although, it wasn't a 1/05 TOS site) in the beginning.

After turning it into a multi page site with useful content, policies, etc - it's doing quite well again.

Change is possible.

rbacal

2:51 am on Aug 4, 2006 (gmt 0)



After turning it into a multi page site with useful content, policies, etc - it's doing quite well again.

This kind of confirms thinking that although google talks about landing page and ad quality, it takes a LOT more into consideration than that.

It makes sense, because it makes it harder for people with nothing to offer in terms of content to do a little tweak to get the prices down again. I don' think you can just tweak the landing page and be all that successful.

I'm hoping that means that we'll get back to quality content being rewarded in adwords and the SERPS.

jordo21

7:53 pm on Aug 5, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Yes, I have gotten around the new Adwords changes. I was hit pretty hard myself, but I think I have cracked the code, cuz I tried some stuff and all my campaigns are back down to 10 cents a click. Anyways send me a PM and I will tell ya how I did it.

Alex_Miles

11:20 pm on Aug 5, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Maybe it's because they have trouble writing more than two word messages. Who knows.

If we were getting paid for writing it, perhaps we'd witter on at greater length. Who knows?

sailorjwd

12:23 pm on Aug 6, 2006 (gmt 0)

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I notice that some of the best x sites are attempting to get around the QP algo by removing the links in the fake directory listings. Now they have few links on the page other than adsense.

It seems to work because their ads are showing where mine are not. I may have too many links to my program example pages. Although I would have thought the also would treat internal links better than gobs of external links.

Any thoughts on too many links on landing page?

leveldisc

11:37 pm on Aug 6, 2006 (gmt 0)

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rbacal,

I have no problem with your point of view, but you seem to have appointed yourself as the thread monitor.

And you complain about people not having better things to do ...

I think if people do not get your point first or second time, then it is unlikely they ever will.

Hipsoul

6:19 am on Aug 7, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Google's stock is at $373.85...that's a LOT higher than $30!

I think the Arbitrage Algo was something that Google had to do...
there's just too much crap out there. period.

I mean, when 4 out of 8 ads are just bait&switch links to an AdSense Arbitrage page...it's time to clean house.

I also think the way Google see's it...
if you hurt bad enough, you'll find a way to build a legitimately useful website and get back to business.

It's a public service they're doing...
all they want you to do is build a business that holds some value.

You may sell a legitimate product, but your site was obviously flawed in it's execution...
so study the sites that are currently advertising on your keywords and follow their lead.

And you really can't complain if you ran arbitrage sites...
you knew it was coming, one day.

Don't build your house on quicksand.

ebuilder

11:48 am on Aug 7, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Acually Hipsoul, I agree with everything you said except the part regarding studying sites advertising on keywords that I used to. 4 our of 8 at least, are misleading ads written to drive drive traffic only. THe landing pages have absolutely nothing to do with the ad as written. And believe me I know the price of Google's stock. It was well over $400.00 when I started shorting it. I am only hoping for $30.00.

Cheers

georaza

12:01 pm on Aug 7, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Fortunatly while playing with google, I have discoved the way to reverse my CPC from $10 to $0.05 again.

How... If I wrote that here I fear that the google man will block that way as well. :)

spc90210

6:43 pm on Aug 7, 2006 (gmt 0)

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eWhisper,

Did you need to request a manual review on the affected site, or did the required minimum bids drop on their own after the site was tweaked?

I think this is a key question for many of us.

Thanks.

eWhisper

4:27 pm on Aug 12, 2006 (gmt 0)

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The review happened after a new ad was added.

Not sure if they do an 'auto review' every few days or not as of yet.

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