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Content vs Search Network

Bug in the content regional code?

         

Jack_Hughes

10:39 am on Jun 30, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I have a few campaigns running on Adwords. I seperated one campaign into two in order to target the content & search networks seperately.

I didn't want to bid the same money for the content network as for the search network.

Eventually, after managing the two seperately I decided to bring the two together. Both campaigns only target specific countries. When I put the two together, the impressions went wild. I was getting loads of impressions of the ad, but a very low CTR (0.3%) against a more usual 3-7%.

Had I allowed this to continue this would have hurt us badly. The only explanation I have is that there is a bug in the content network code serving up ads to customers who are not in the coutries we choose to target when the two campaigns are in one campaign (ie when the content & search check boxes are clicked in a single campaign).

vibgyor79

1:08 pm on Jun 30, 2004 (gmt 0)

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>>> getting loads of impressions of the ad

What impressions are these? Search or Content? If it is content, then there is nothing to worry about. 0.3% is probably above average.

mike schmitz

3:33 pm on Jun 30, 2004 (gmt 0)

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You can't just use content targeting. I know the checkboxes look like you can - but I emailed Google at one point and they confirmed that content only isn't possible. The UI on the edit campaign settings needs to be changed.

Mike

Jack_Hughes

3:50 pm on Jun 30, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Oh...so how do I bid less for content clicks than for search clicks? Or, isn't that possible?

Jack_Hughes

4:00 pm on Jun 30, 2004 (gmt 0)

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does having a low relative CTR on content affect the search network bid price. so, on the search network we have a CTR of 3-7% depending on the day. If I then use the content network that is diluted down. Am I going to be paying more for my bids on the search network as a consequence of using the content network?

mike schmitz

7:21 pm on Jun 30, 2004 (gmt 0)

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No you can't bid less on content related searches at this time. I would suggest buying your search terms on one account and then both search and content on another account for a lessor CPC. The duplicate adgroups should go away over time with the higher paid CPCs winning out due to higher search ranking.

This assumes of course, that you can pay more than $.05 per click for search.

As for the second question - content performance does not effect search performance in any way. Consider them seperate. The only way they are tied together is your max spending cap.


Mike

Jack_Hughes

8:03 pm on Jun 30, 2004 (gmt 0)

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thanks mike, that clears the issue up nicely.

vibgyor79

1:17 pm on Jul 1, 2004 (gmt 0)

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>>> one account
>>> another account

That should actually read - "I would suggest buying your search terms on one CAMPAIGN and then both search and content on another CAMPAIGN for a lessor CPC."

Opening multiple accounts promoting the same URL can get you banned from advertising on Google.

Also, in the second campaign, uncheck search. Run only content ads at a lower CPC.

Jack_Hughes

1:38 pm on Jul 1, 2004 (gmt 0)

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yup, i figured that that was what mike meant. i made the change last night and i am not getting any content network ad impressions yet. is it going to take a while for the changes to become live?

mike schmitz

2:44 pm on Jul 1, 2004 (gmt 0)

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You cannot uncheck search. I mean you CAN do that but it doesn't actually work according to Google. The UI is just bad. There is no way to just use content and not search. It's either search alone or search with content.

Mike

Jack_Hughes

2:55 pm on Jul 1, 2004 (gmt 0)

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just to clarify.

i have two campaigns targetting the same set of keywords with the same ads etc.

Campaign One: aimed at the content network, has both content & search networks clicked.

Campaign Two: aimed at the search network. has just the search network clicked.

Campaign two bids higher than campaign one. i value search network clicks more than content network clicks. therefore i want a way of bidding more for search than for content.

eWhisper

3:31 pm on Jul 1, 2004 (gmt 0)

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jack_hughes,

The above post is correct.

Since you made a new campaign with new keywords and ads, the new ads will be approved before showing on content sites, so you'll see a short delay before the stats appear.

Also, keep an eye on the search numbers for your content campaign, you'll probably have some leakage and get a few search impressions in the campaign, but if you start to get a lot, you either need to lower your content bid, or raise your search campaign's bids.

AdWordsAdvisor

11:56 pm on Jul 1, 2004 (gmt 0)

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You cannot uncheck search. I mean you CAN do that but it doesn't actually work according to Google. The UI is just bad. There is no way to just use content and not search. It's either search alone or search with content.

This is actually not correct, mike schmitz - and I think I know how the misunderstanding may have occurred.

All ads begin by showing on Google.com (and other Google 'properties') - and it is correct that one may not opt out of appearing on Google. I suspect that this is what the Google representative with whom you spoke intended to convey.

However, it is entirely possible to opt out of the search partner network, while opting in to the content partner network.

Hope this clears it up.

AWA

mike schmitz

1:01 am on Jul 2, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Can you point out the Google text where it says you can only utilize content targeting? I have my doubts...

Mike

Jack_Hughes

9:07 am on Jul 2, 2004 (gmt 0)

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sure is taking a looong time for the content ads to show up. is it normal to have to wait more than 24 hours?

vibgyor79

10:15 am on Jul 2, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Mike >>> You are not getting it. Read AWA's post once more.

Jack >>> Yes. It generally takes 2 - 3 days nowadays. The ads need to be manually approved by Google editors before they start showing up on Google content (& even search) partner network.

AdWordsAdvisor

6:52 pm on Jul 2, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Can you point out the Google text where it says you can only utilize content targeting? I have my doubts...

The closest I can come (after a brief search of the FAQ) is here:

What is the Google Network?
[adwords.google.com...]

But trust me Mike, what I described earlier is truly the case.

One thing that may confuse folks is that when you opt out of the search partner network, you'll still see stats in the (yellow colored) 'Search Total' row at the Ad Group Level.

Why? Well, because Google clicks and impressions are from Search.

AWA

Jack_Hughes

9:13 am on Jul 8, 2004 (gmt 0)

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the ads began to be served on the content network yesterday i am pleased to report.

i changed my content network campaign to be global too. apparently, that matters. it was only set to serve to uk & european surfers previously.