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How long until you delete a keyword?

         

zeus661

10:44 pm on Jun 7, 2004 (gmt 0)

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If you have keywords that are accumulating impressions but no clicks how long do you hang on to them? What I have been doing is looking back over 3 weeks and if I have no click but high impressions I usually delete the keyword.

I am also taking into consideration the average position for that keyword. If it is a high number then I tend to delete it over ones that show on the first page.

This sound like a good idea to you?

What is your strategy?

RedWolf

11:00 pm on Jun 7, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Personally I treat them as free branding. Maybe the browsers will remember my site later when they are on another search or maybe they will decide to click my link in the natural search results after confirming in their mind that I'm a real company because of the advertising. I would probably try out a couple of differently worded ads in the adgroup though to try to capture some of the people. What does it hurt? Impressions don't cost you anything and evidently the low CTR isn't hurting the position too much. Don't worry till Google gets upset and decides to disable them, then I would probably just delete them and not worry about them.

A more pressing problem is a keyword that generates a ton of clicks but no conversions. This needs to be fixed quickly with a look at the landing page to see if there is something wrong there, then negative keywords if it is a phrase or broard match, or deleting if it doesn't look like I can find a way to convert the clickers.

nyet

12:32 am on Jun 8, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I never delete words which are getting impressions but no clicks. The system will do that for you.

Why bother?

Spend the time instead trying to get the words to GET clicks, rather than delete them.

zeus661

1:49 am on Jun 8, 2004 (gmt 0)

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If they have high impressions and no clicks they affect your CTR. They lower your CTR. That is why I think it is better to delete them.

nyet

2:10 am on Jun 8, 2004 (gmt 0)

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oh, I was assuming you were not in danger of losing an adgroup.

zeus661

2:37 am on Jun 8, 2004 (gmt 0)

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CTR is not bad but if delete those keywords increase it I think I should delete them then.

GuitarZan

1:26 pm on Jun 8, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Hey,

Once a campaign has been going for a little while, say 2 weeks, I will go and delete any KeyWord that has over 150 Impressions, but a CTR of 0.5% or under. This will slowly bring your CTR up over time for the Campaign.

C.K.

nyet

1:44 pm on Jun 8, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Again I have to ask, why bother? High Campaign CTR does not effect ad ranking. (CTR of specific keywords does). So as long as you are not in danger of losing the campaign due to low CTR why bother deleting low CTR words.

Many of our 'borderline' words have high ROI.

CTR is Google's measure of success, not ours. Indivdual keyword ROI is not our measure either. It is ROI on PPC as a whole we consider important.

eWhisper

2:00 pm on Jun 8, 2004 (gmt 0)

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There seems to be some misconceptions in this thread that campaign wide or maybe ad CTR matters.

The CTR that is used in the bid rank formula [webmasterworld.com] is only for that specific keyword [webmasterworld.com].

I have to agree with Nyet in this thread.

There must have been a reason you choose that KW in the first place, hopefully it was because you felt it was relevant. If the KW has a positive ROI - then try different ads/matching options to make the KW work - deleting them just because they have low CTR could be costing you some profiable KWs.

AdWordsAdvisor

4:49 pm on Jun 8, 2004 (gmt 0)

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So as long as you are not in danger of losing the campaign due to low CTR why bother deleting low CTR words.

I just wanted to throw in one quick comment.

There is one case worth mentioning, where it is to the advertiser's advantage to delete low-performing keywords (however you define them) rather than letting them continue to run.

When your daily budget is lower than would be required to have your ad show all the time, then you can increase the frequency of your ad showing on your more important keywords by getting rid of the less important keywords.

In other words, when one's budget is low, the fewer keywords you have the farther that budget goes in terms of showing the important keywords more often.

If your budget is allowing your ad to show all the time already, then deleting the less important words won't make any difference.

AWA

nyet

6:03 pm on Jun 8, 2004 (gmt 0)

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AWA

*very* good point!

I would still consider either ROI or (more importantly for some businesses) the total number of conversions for each word as the determining factor rather than CTR.

People seem to get fixated on CTR which for the Advertisers has little (or nothing) to do with the bottom line.

ideaguru

6:50 pm on Jun 8, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I think there's another point that should be mentioned - if you delete a keyword, you can use that keyword for other campaigns, etc.

If you don't delete the keyword, and it has a low performance, then it will dramatically affect the keyword's performance in the new campaign.

zeus661

7:03 pm on Jun 8, 2004 (gmt 0)

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The problem with picking an affiliate through CJ or another company and then promoting it through Adwords is you can not figure out which keyword generated the sale. I have not deleted any keywords that have generated clicks. Only some that have generated high impression and NO clicks.

GuitarZan

5:21 am on Jun 9, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Hey,

Thanks for clearing that up guys. So I shouldn't be concerned with "Campaign CTR". Only if the Campaign CTR is getting too low. I should focus on actually tracking the low CTR words to the sale, to see if they actually produce, right?

C.K.

eWhisper

7:41 am on Jun 9, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I should focus on actually tracking the low CTR words to the sale, to see if they actually produce, right?

Yes.

But you should be tracking the high CTR words to the sale as well - those are the ones you're spending more money on.

vkimura

9:50 am on Jun 9, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Just wondering if any of guys/gals are experiencing the same thing I am with the adwords. I had some KWs that had low CTR and I was immediately penalized by Google for a low CTR such as 100 impressions and no clicks or some that KW that had clicks but a low CTR such as .5% or .2%. When I say penalized I mean ALL my campaigns were "slowed" so essentially my adwords were not displaying at all or very, very minimally. After three "slow" penalizations by Google they charge you $10 for a "restore". My ROI didn't cover this amount.

So what I did next was ask the experts of the Google Adwords team to come up with some campaigns for me. As soon as they did, I was penalized again after only two hours and then my account was "slowed" again! I told them that my account "slowed" and the CSR replied that because I've used similar or the same KWs previously which triggered a "slowed" activation for those KWs the algorithm was more quick to "slow" those same KWs again.

Make sense? It does but is anyone out there getting penalized as much as I am. I actually don't even have time to react before I'm penalized with a "slow" activation. I don't what they expect of me short of sitting in front of my computer all day and clicking to see my CTR for each KW.

I've even used WordTracker and the Google Adwords tools to help me find additional more targetted KWs. Nothing seems to work. My goodness the Google Adwords experts faired far worse than I did. Any suggestions? BTW, my target is people seeking real estate agents in their area if that helps anyone.

eWhisper

6:03 pm on Jun 9, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Have you tried regional targeting yet?

That might jump your CTR for some specific KWs to let you get a handle on what KWs will eventually convert.

Also, use negative keywords - this will slow impressions down for phrase and broad match terms that aren't quite related to your query.

cline

8:22 pm on Jun 10, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I delete them at:
0 clicks and 200 impressions
1 click and 400 impressions

marek

6:12 am on Jun 11, 2004 (gmt 0)

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What vkimura writes about, is a bug. Google is overly word-centric. Listen to the following story of mine.

Once one of my keywords was disabled because of low performance. It really had bad CTR and disabling it was a right step in that campaign. However, a month or two later I used a same written keyword in another campaign targetted to a different language. This time it was totaly new keyword with different meaning in that language. Despite that, Google remembered its history and immediately after adition it tagged it At Risk and disabled it after less than 100 impressions without a click.

Conclusion: as long as this bug exists in AdWords, it's safer to delete low CTR words as soon as possible.