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pizzuti

11:09 pm on Jun 3, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I just got charged for a campaign that I didn't run - it has been set on pause - and at a daily rate that I never set. Google deducted the money from my account and bounced a check, that is how I found out about it - it has been three days and no response from Google. Luckily the bank refunded me the check charges but you would think they would respond to something like this a little faster. The girl I spoke with said "I am sure that our customers would let us know if there were any problems." Like I'm not a customer?

Also - my logs have NEVER matched their reports - has anyone else had this problem?

nyet

3:09 pm on Jun 4, 2004 (gmt 0)

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either your password was compromised or more likely 'PEBCAK' (don't take offense, it really is probably this)

as to the logs not matching, ours have never matched either, but they are not that far off. There are good reasons for this. Besides the difference can't amount to more than a few bucks here and there. (for us)

pizzuti

3:30 pm on Jun 4, 2004 (gmt 0)

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That would be the logical assumption but I know I didn't "accidentally" activate the campaign and change the daily budget twice. Three "accidental mistakes" in one day, at the same time, on the same campaign? One maybe, but three?

Also, my logs are way off, always have been. Google showed 311 referrals and my logs show 12. That is a big difference. When I asked about it they said "We can't verify the logs you just have to trust us".

nyet

3:50 pm on Jun 4, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Well, I imagine 'glitches' are possible. It seems to me that you are suggesting they are cheating you on purpose.

While possible, I can't see why they would do that.....

pizzuti

4:14 pm on Jun 4, 2004 (gmt 0)

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No, I don't think it's intentional. I think there is some kind of glitch somewhere. That is why I asked if anyone else had the same problem. If it is a bug then I am sure that others would have had the same experience.

digitalv

4:21 pm on Jun 4, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Google showed 311 referrals and my logs show 12. That is a big difference

No kidding! What are you using for logs? Local server files or a hosted service (webtrends live, iwebtrack, hitbox, etc.)? There are ups and downs to both.

If a page is cached a hosted service will likely count the user on each visit but your server logs would never see it since it never requested the page from your server again. Conversely, if a user has cookies, HTTP_REFERER, or other crap blocked in their browser settings or by third party programs like Norton Internet Security, the hosted web stats services won't see them at all.

For my sites I run both a hosted service and use the server logs. They are NEVER exactly the same, but are usually pretty close. If Google is saying they delivered 311 clicks I'm inclined to believe they did. Their reports are usually pretty consistent with my own web stats.

Are your ads displayed on the third party (AdSense) sites? Try disabling those - sometimes people run bots to click their ads so they can make money for themselves at your expense. Google usually catches those people and kills their AdSense account, but they never refund YOUR money that was wasted on those evil users.

pizzuti

4:31 pm on Jun 4, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I am using the raw log files off the servers. I have run reports with three different types of software and actually gone line by line in the raw log files myself, to try and verify hits after I realized the reports weren't matching up.

In March I showed 0 referrals they showed 8 in April I show 0 and they show 21 and in May I show 12 and they show 311. This has been going on since I started this campaign. I have contacted them three times about it. There has never been any real concern on their end, just the "trust us" response - so I did until this overcharge on my account - something isn't right.

digitalv

5:24 pm on Jun 4, 2004 (gmt 0)

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How are you determining whether they delivered the hit to you? If you're relying on the REFERER info, that's your problem. For some reason most webmasters seem to think that the number of people who block their referers is small... it's actually pretty high.

There is one way to know for sure though, and that's to use a Tracking URL. A tracking URL is a regular URL with some extra crap in the querystring that you can use for targeting. It's a much more accurate way to count how many clicks you're getting than the referring document.

Instead of having your AdWords ads link to www.example.com have them link to www.example.com/?track=adwords

Then when you look through your logs, if you see the URL with /?track=adwords" in it you'll know where the visitor came from. It won't interfere with your website at all, but I suspect your problem is that you're relying on the referer and that's just not accurate these days.

Do this now - log into AdWords RIGHT NOW (if you're still using them of course) and make this change. You should be able to tell the difference in your results right away.

pizzuti

8:03 pm on Jun 4, 2004 (gmt 0)

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If I can get the overcharge issue straightened out, I'll try what you have suggested. Right now I have paused everything.

digitalv

9:32 pm on Jun 4, 2004 (gmt 0)

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If I can get the overcharge issue straightened out, I'll try what you have suggested. Right now I have paused everything.

Didn't you say your campaigns magically started running again even though you had paused them? You should go ahead and modify your target URLs now even though your campaign is paused just incase that happens again. I don't expect that Google will reimburse or credit you for it though ... whether you re-activated the URLs yourself or someone logged in as you and did it, Google still delivered the traffic to you. I hope you can get it worked out though :)

pizzuti

10:07 pm on Jun 4, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Oh God, I wasn't even thinking about that, what if they're running now! I'm just going to cancel the account. I don't think they are going to reimburse me. I was waiting to see if I got a response from the last email I sent yesterday - I haven't. The last guy I talked to there had the attitude that was basically "you're screwed" - I think that bothered me as much as the charge! I have recommended them to so many clients. The whole thing just sucks.