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Minimum bid dropped.

Has anyone else noticed this?

         

Tropical Island

4:38 pm on Jan 17, 2003 (gmt 0)

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We have been trying for a year to get Google to drop the minimum bid on our main search term for the USA from 43¢ to smething more reasonable. After many e-mails pointing out that this was an unreasonable amount for this term given it's search frequency and the comparable bids at Overture they always sent a nice e-mail back that "thank you for your interest but no...".

Two days ago I checked and lo and behold the minimum bid has been removed completely.

Many thanks Google. In the first day we had 4 times more click throughs then before.

Has anyone else noticed other terms that have been reduced or was it only this one?

webdiversity

12:34 am on Jan 18, 2003 (gmt 0)

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We've always been able to bid under the level that Google suggested was the minimum and get some traffic.

The reason for this was because of the CPM Adwords program that was stopped last year. There are still some advertisers running with that and so as not to disadvatage them the minimum CPC was introduced, but it's less of an issue and more easily avoided.

mansterfred

9:14 am on Jan 18, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Saw this yesterday and thought it was related to your direct letter. Just for kicks I decided to check our 20 ad groups. (Average Group has 15 keywords)

YOU ARE CORRECT. THE MINNIMUM BID IS DOWN.:)

Here is what I found:

Of the 20 Ad groups

7 of the 20 are now down to the minimum bid (.05)
6 of the 20 are down by 50% or more.
7 of the 20 remained unchanged for the most part

Assuming my traffic does not change the cost for my company has declined by more then 50%.

btw. If you do not go in and recalculate, adwords still charges you the old price.:(

chiyo

10:08 am on Jan 18, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I's great news if it has. Our terms have ridiculously high click-through costs compared to overture. Overtures system is better than Googles when it comes to providing niche and targeted results.

The problem with Adwords is that costs for advertising on the keywords "website design" (for example) around the same as advertising for "website design New york", or even "website design mexico", given they they all are getting their .05 minimums. Targeting the customer more DOES NOT reduce costs like in overture.

Now as long as you have a high cost keyword in your terms, no matter what you do to refine or target that term in the "same line phrase" it never really becomes cost effective for say the guy selling in mexico where affordability is lower and prices are lower. Unfortunately adwords therefore do a very poor job at targeting and relevance for the surfer.

Its not only geographic. For example pick any keyword with a high click through rate. Then add say "ethics" to the phrase. Both terms cost around the same, but those advertising the first string are most likely selling high value and highly profitable products, while those using the second one are possibly a community service site with little budgets. When you search for "searchterm ethics", the guys who sell "searchterm" will usually be ranked first becuase they have higher max bids on the keywords, and the guys who sell "searchterm ethics" are left floundering around at the bottom - despite their better relevance.

/rant over.

Maybe with these min costs coming down, it may help the niche advertiser (and the surfer) a lot.

gsx

10:55 am on Jan 18, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Original AdWords has been closed down Sept 2002. But there are still minimums for some reason.

I set up my search terms and set them all to $0.05 initially. Many did not display, but within a month or two almost all were being shown. I beleive they must have some kind of system where adverts will display when under the minimum in certain circumstances.

chiyo

11:04 am on Jan 18, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Where in the Adwords system can you check for min bid? I know you find out pretty quick when you set up new campaigns what the min bid is, but what about existing campaigns?

I know how to set max bids etc. Id it a matter of trial and error reducing your bids and waiting for google to tell you that "...your ad will not appear under your keywords for some countries blah blah message?..."

Tropical Island

12:18 pm on Jan 18, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Thanks everyone for your comments. I was wondering if it was just my e-mails or a more general reduction. It now looks likeit was a general move. Good move on Google's part because before they were getting nothing and yesterday we had a 7%+ CTR for this term.

Chiyo, just click through your ad group to where it says "view/edit" and then "modify price or keywords". If there is a minimum bid it will be indicated on that page. Usually the minimum will be just to cover the USA or Japan (in our experience).

chiyo

1:14 pm on Jan 18, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Thanks TI. I can see max cost per click against every keyword, as well as estimated and actual cost columns and max total for the whole campaign, but no "minimum". :(

defanjos

12:29 am on Jan 19, 2003 (gmt 0)

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chiyo,

You only see the minimum bid on a particular keyword, when your maximum bid (Current maximum cost-per-click) for the Ad Group is set lower that that keyword.

For example,
Your max bid for an ad group is $0.05, you enter a certain keyword, if that keyword's min is greater than $0.05, then it will be a note (in red) saying that the min bid for that keyword is $.10 (for example)

My explanation is probably confusing, but I hope it helps.

BTW, I have noticed many max bids dropped. My total adwords clicks have been going up a lot in this past two days.

chiyo

3:53 am on Jan 19, 2003 (gmt 0)

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thanks defanjos.. yep thats what i thought - so you have to play around with reducing max bids to find the min ones!

One of our keywords still has a .75c minimum for the US :( and its not a traditional "money word" an also attracts very few impressions. It sure still remains a "funny" system.

Tropical Island

11:45 am on Jan 19, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Chiyo - Check the bid on Overture for this keyword. If it is substantially lower try writing an e-mail to AdWords cutomer service pointing out the low refferals and the lower #1 bid at Over. They may look at it. It never hurts to try.

steveb

1:01 pm on Jan 19, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Wow, AdWords just got 10 times more complex!

SlyOldDog

4:24 pm on Jan 19, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Yes. It's a terrible system without a decent feedback loop from the customer. Overture should always be pretty close to the market price because users choose the price. Adwords on the other hand seem to feel they know better than the customers what a click should cost. That's probably why so many commercial categories have 1 or less ads, especially on foreign language searches.

Kind of good if your competition don't understand how it works though :)

Tropical Island

11:22 pm on Jan 19, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Hey, don't rock the boat. We're perfectly happy (now) with the way things are. The more complicated it is the fewer competitors show up.

steveb

12:31 am on Jan 20, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I disagree. There will be more competitors now simply because you can apparently bid a nickel on anything. I'm paying a lot less today, but it seems pretty clear that I'll be forced to pay a lot more within weeks if not days if I want to keep a campaign.

chiyo

4:30 am on Jan 20, 2003 (gmt 0)

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steveb.. i wouldnt worry. Like overture, its the max bids that count, not the min ones. If you bid low, you just wont appear many times, and always very low in the rank, and your CPC will go under .05 and your keywords will be paused/asterisked.

steveb

7:02 am on Jan 20, 2003 (gmt 0)

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chiyo that is what I'm worried about! I'm not looking to not have a campaign!

Lots more competition will come in, like pawns to the slaughter, and even if they won't make the minimum click level, it will be harder for me to make it as one of a bigger group, and to not be stuck at the bottom or pushed off altogether I'll have to raise my bid.

This may not be that bad of news if you are clever enough, but this dip in prices is a bit like free crack, aimed to get you hooked.

The swarm has already started unfortuntely. The slot above me is now taken by a completely off-topic major company that apparently has put in a bid for most of the words in the universe. Bad news for the little guys with good ads.

dkoller

7:39 am on Jan 20, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I just wish I had a list of all the terms that dropped in price so I could take advantage of them before they get found out by the masses...

Search and conquer is kinda hard when you're working against the whole of dictionary permuations.

oh well.

Maybe google[guy] could provide this info? hmmmm...