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Aimee

1:26 am on Mar 4, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Hi,recently,I've find most of our keywords perform not well,now I'm puzzle.
eg. our keyword use quotation marks "keyword",
when i search our ad use "keyword" then can see our ad and the second position.
but use keyword not include quotation marks, I can't find our ad.
and if i use buy "keyword" or buy keyword also can't see our ad.
How does google's target working?

AWA, would you please help explain this?

PS: the budget is ok.

AdWordsAdvisor

2:14 am on Mar 4, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Hi Aimee,

Actually, I think it'd be better if you were to post your questions to the group at large, rather than just to me.

There is an amazing amount of experience and knowledge amongst the members of this forum, and they are just as likely to be able to answer your question as I am.

And probably faster too!

That said, let me take a look into this, and I'll post again soon.

:)

AWA

Aimee

2:22 am on Mar 4, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Thank you AWA!
I just hope to attract your attention.

any advice and info would be really appreciated.

FromRocky

5:23 pm on Mar 4, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Aimee,
Is your kw a single word?

If it is, "keyword" behaviors like a broad match keyword. Your CPC for this KW is possibly low (broad match) so your "keyword" will not be shown when someone types in keyword or buy "keyword". However, your kw will show when the "keyword" was used since your CPC for "keyword" is acceptable (less competition). If I were you I will use [keyword] instead of "keyword" to test it. More confusion?
That's what I believe.

Aimee

12:35 am on Mar 5, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Thanks FromRocky!
Yes,most of them are single keyword. if use [keyword],does it likes a exact match or a phrase match?

I have a question, if people use buy keyword, and one advertiser use [buy keyword],another use "keyword", suppose it isn't a single keyword, how does google account their ad position?

Thanks for reply.

AdWordsAdvisor

1:40 am on Mar 5, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Aimee, there is some useful info on keyword 'matching' options in the AdWords FAQ, on this page:

[adwords.google.com...]

As a matter of routine, I'd be very wary of single-word keywords. There are exceptions of course, but I think I'm safe in saying that they most often will not work well for you, because they are simply too general.

It is usually better (at least at the start), to use really specific multiple word keywords that precisely describe your product or service.

For example if you sell wax for polishing bowling balls, don’t use keywords like the following. These are a recipe for account trouble:

bowl
bowling
Ball
polish
Polishing
wax
waxes
waxer

Instead use really specific keywords like the ones below. You are likely to get much better results. By this I mean a better CTR, and a much more pre-qualified customer who is ready to purchase.

bowling ball wax
bowling ball polish
Bowling ball cleaner.... and so on

...if people use buy keyword, and one advertiser use [buy keyword],another use "keyword", suppose it isn't a single keyword, how does google account their ad position?

Bottom line, the Max CPC and CTR of each keyword would determine it's position. The 'match type' doesn't cause one to take precedence over the others.

AWA

Aimee

2:06 am on Mar 5, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Thank you AWA.
Because we sell laptop batteries and camcorder batteries,so we should use the original battery part number as the keyword, and the number are single word,so we had to use the single-word keywords.
such as:
DR202
F1739A
02K7016
02K7018
and so on.
of course we also expand the list for each keywords. but it seems not good.

AdWordsAdvisor

2:28 am on Mar 5, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Ah, thanks for the clarification aimee.

Still might be a good idea to try kewyords with both the manufacturers name and part number, such as:

toshiba DR202 (or whatever the actualy brand name is!)
and so forth...

AWA

FromRocky

10:20 pm on Mar 5, 2004 (gmt 0)

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In your case, I will use
F1739a
[f1739a]
hp f1739a
"hp f1739a"
[hp f1739a]
laptop batteries f1739a
laptop battery f1739a
"hp battery f1739a"
[hp battery f1739a]
....

Let it run for a day and then i will delet any term which did not perform well or got no page impression.

AdWordsAdvisor

2:52 am on Mar 6, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Aimee, just some quick 'headlines' about the question I think you asked in your first post. These are the things I wanted to confirm with a tech person, before posting.

* Searching on the word 'keyword' and "keyword" should return the same search results, and the same ads. In other words, putting quotes around a single word does not change it in a search query.

* Searching on 'keyword phrase' and "keyword phrase" should return different search results, but the same ads. This is because you affect the word order in multiple word phrases for search. But the ads are not affected.

* Essentially, using quote marks in Google search is unrelated to using quote marks in your keyword list.

Bottom line: searching using quotation marks in your search query affects the search results on the left, but does not affect the ads. This is by design.

Hope that makes sense. Sort of a simple concept that is difficult to explain clearly!

AWA

AdWordsAdvisor

3:00 am on Mar 6, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Oops. Late breaking addition to the above:

If you do see different ads for 'keyword' and "keyword", this will be due to factors such as daily budget, Max CPC, CTR, end dates, etc.

It's not unusual* to see different ads just by clicking the refresh button on the results page for a given search, especially in very competitive arenas.

* Does this make anyone else start humming the Tom Jones song? ;)

AWA

Aimee

3:27 am on Mar 6, 2004 (gmt 0)

10+ Year Member



Thanks AWA!
I'll track thd keyword. if it still have the same problem i will notice it.