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NO more premium listings :)

can you see the difference

         

Shak

12:03 am on Jan 5, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Ok so its a level playing field.

Who is playing?

Shak

eWhisper

4:38 pm on Jan 6, 2004 (gmt 0)

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cayenne,

I wonder if your last 1000 impressions did well or something, as if you only have a 1.1%, and tops of 8 people, it seems that your compeition's ads aren't meeting minumum CTR rates. Those statistics don't make any sense when I look at my ads which aren't making premium placements.

As premium placements really do affect advertisers a lot, it seems G should just tell people the guidelines. It's not like showing the secret formula will allow people to manipulate Gs CTR rates any better than without knowing it.

cayenne

4:54 pm on Jan 6, 2004 (gmt 0)

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eWhisper,

We have been in the premium slot since 11/1/03 for this term, which gets >20,000 impressions per month. Our CTRs for that period have ranged from .8 - 2.4% (monitored daily), and we are always on top.

oh, I forgot to mention, The status column always says "Strong"

-c

eWhisper

5:09 pm on Jan 6, 2004 (gmt 0)

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That puts a kink in what I thought the premium formula was. I have many ads with 2.5%-12% CTRs with $0.08-$0.27 CPCs that are not in the premium slot, but in 1st sidebar position.

It makes me wonder if part of the 'preformance bar' has todo with what your competitors are doing and if you're beating them by x margin.

Overture's performance bar is based on your ctr vs your competitors ctr, estimated out by position. So you can have a word with a 25% ctr with one bar, or one with a 1% ctr with 5 bars based on competition. Wonder if G has introduced something similiar into their formula.

cayenne

5:20 pm on Jan 6, 2004 (gmt 0)

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eWhisper,

That might explain why we cannot get no-competition KWs (that get 30,000 impressions per month) promoted, even though CTRs are 8% plus for these terms.

-c

sem4u

10:49 am on Jan 9, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Thank's to a lack of premium listings I am seeing some very high CTRs at the moment. :)

cayenne

11:38 am on Jan 9, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Looks like premium listings are totally gone.

Wassup?

Shak has the title of this thread correct (except for the smile) :-(

-c

Bernie

3:03 pm on Jan 14, 2004 (gmt 0)

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>> all that will happen is that high performing adwords ads from the right will be promoted up top.

facing this for two days with one of our niche campaigns. CTR has gone up to 8%. Average click price is moderate though. Could be fun if once in premium position you will stay there due to high CTR performance even if maximum bid is reduced.

Anyhow I am seeing no premium links in some $$ kw-areas. maybe Google is still calculating in these cases who deserves the jump.

eWhisper

5:31 pm on Jan 14, 2004 (gmt 0)

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In the last 3-4 days, almost every ad we had was promoted to premium position that was 1st sidebar. Not sure if there was a glitch in the system, or we finally met some magical formula (but for 50+ ads in 3-4 days to suddenly meet this seems a bit odd). However, I'm not seeing any ads now that I can't figure out why they're in their current position.

SlyOldDog

8:49 pm on Jan 14, 2004 (gmt 0)

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To answer the question that this thread is about, I am surprised to say that, as an ex-premium advertiser, our cost has gone down since the end of premium, and sales have never been better. This is pretty amazing because we used to get CTR of up to 25% in the premium slot and pay only an average of 50 cents a click.

Now we pay up to $2.50 a click, but our average is probably a dollar.

One possible explanation is that our premium ads seemed to be broad matched and it wasn't possible to put in -ve keywords.

Anyway, I guess this is win win. I earn more, Google earns less off me, but now I am not hogging the top spot they can sell the clicks I don't want to someone else.

ogletree

9:08 pm on Jan 14, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Why would google do this. They are losing money. My clicks have gone down after I fell off the premium space. The premium space gets more clicks. why do they have to have it different. Just put 2 ads on all searches. I did better with looksmart because the ads were on the top and looked like free results. Google is training people to not look over there. A while back I did not even know there were ads over there. I just don't look over there.

Jaze

1:30 am on Jan 15, 2004 (gmt 0)

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ogletree - not saying that my search patterns are the same as everyone else, but... I never did click on those top results - for me they were "over the top" advertising (scuse the pun) - it represented to me an "ego" ad so I would never click on it.

I usually go by the search results themselves but if the snippets (and Titles) are really awful and I can't be bothered visiting then I'll look to the AdWords. And not just the top one either, the one that has the most relevant text for the key phrase I'm searching.

edit: typo

shaadi

6:23 am on Jan 15, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I am still on a premium spot for both of my killer keywords.

TechTitan2000

9:17 am on Jan 15, 2004 (gmt 0)

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We have an account executive at Google, who informed us about the change back in June of last year. Goolge used to sell the premium spots on a cost per impression basis at a very low cost. They can earn more money and increase the relevancy by moving their top two AdWord clients to the top of the page.
In our case our cost went down about 15% per click but our overall billing has increased substantially, as has our traffic and sales. Our click through rate increased from 8.1% to 11.1%
We are excited about the results because Google has introduced an entirely new concept in advertising “Relevancy”.

SlyOldDog

11:40 am on Jan 15, 2004 (gmt 0)

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In our case our cost went down about 15% per click but our overall billing has increased substantially,

Which billing do you mean? If your cost went down then your Advertising bill went down too no?

Jaze

11:42 am on Jan 15, 2004 (gmt 0)

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SlyOldDog - cost per click went down but traffic (click thrus) went up - hence overall billing going up.

TechTitan2000

12:13 pm on Jan 15, 2004 (gmt 0)

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SlyOldDog, Jaze is correct!

SlyOldDog

5:06 pm on Jan 15, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Yep. I didn't read the per click bit.

A similar thing happened to us (my post above). We spend less, but sales are higher, so I guess the clicks are more relevant.

It's great now because we can also fill up with customers and when we are near full, we just switch off the advertising. Premium didn't have that flexibility.

Mind you, it is really hard work to filter out all the crap with broad match on. Some of our Ad Groups are 7 pages of -ve keywords for one broad phrase.

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