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AhmedF

2:32 am on Dec 8, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Well .. things get better :)

My last client left [only guy I liked enough to keep around] was recently banned from AdWords Select. Turns out he had multiple accounts [he was having trouble having some ads show up or something], and so he got banned.

This is a big spender - mid 6 digits a year, but no dice.

Any way of making them see it was a mistake and getting back in? :)

nerowolfe

6:31 pm on Dec 8, 2003 (gmt 0)

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If in fact he wasn't aggregiously gaming the system, and he hadn't been warned before, etc etc...

This sounds like a terrible move on Google's part. What if the guy just didn't understand the multiple accounts policy? Stories like this make advertisers very nervous about what Google might do to them if they screw up in any sort of minor way. It makes advertising with Google feel a little like living in a police state. Full bans without warning for any infraction, who knows how minor. "What if they ban me for having multiple accounts, even if we are doing it for different clients?" "Could they ban me for clicking on a competitor's ad to see where it goes?" "What if I'm banned for using an automated tool to manage bids?"

It would help greatly to have some sort of advertiser rights program or something. At least it would be nice if Google promised to give a deactivation warning before banning an account entirely.

AdWordsAdvisor

6:59 pm on Dec 8, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Any way of making them see it was a mistake and getting back in? :)

Yes, of course. Contact AdWords support to inquire. If you email, provide all the details pertinent to your particular situation, and request a review and/or a more complete explanation.

If Google's policy is being met, there should not be an issue - and it is possible that we have not understood the situation. In cases where we've made a mistake, I have found that we are quick to act, and to apologize.

What if the guy just didn't understand the multiple accounts policy? Stories like this make advertisers very nervous about what Google might do to them if they screw up in any sort of minor way. It makes advertising with Google feel a little like living in a police state. Full bans without warning for any infraction, who knows how minor.

In cases of this nature, of which I am aware, the advertiser is given multiple notifications, along with specific requests for action. If the notices are ignored, and/or the actions are not taken, then, finally, the account(s) can be closed.

I hope that everyone can appreciate that it is to everyone's benefit to keep your ads running. The advertiser benefits, and Google benefits as well, of course.

Google will not "ban you without warning" if AdWords policies are being met. If they are not being met, you'll be informed and given multiple chances to fix whatever is at issue.

What are the policies? Well, this is where I'll again say that it is to each advertiser's benefit to read the Terms and Conditions. There is a link directly to them at the bottom of every page in an AdWords account.

AWA

nerowolfe

8:24 pm on Dec 8, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Thanks, AWA, it's reassuring to know that things aren't quite so draconian in practice. :-) That said, the Terms of Service still seem a little heavy handed to me. As I read it, my account *could* be immediately banned for something as simple as having an irrelevant destination URL?

(TOS section 6) "You may not include links to any Web site(s) as part of your ad, unless the content found at such site(s) is relevant to your Target(s) and/or ad creative. (...) Violation of these policies may result in immediate termination of this Agreement without notice, and may subject you to state and federal penalties and other legal consequences."

I definitely understand Google's need and right to terminate accounts for a variety of reasons, but I do wish the TOS specified some sort of escalation procedure for terminations. If nothing else, though, it would be nice to have a FAQ entry indicating that terminations normally go through the escalation procedure that you just described.

Nerowolfe

AdWordsAdvisor

10:33 pm on Dec 8, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Just dropped in for a moment, nerowolfe, and saw your most recent post.

Your point is well taken, and I'll pass your feedback on.

As an actual live human being who works here at Google, I can say with no hesitation whatsoever that the aim is to be fair and even-handed - as opposed to Draconian. (What a great word that is though!)

AWA

ogletree

10:43 pm on Dec 8, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I wonder why Overture allows 2 accounts. We like being number 1 and number 2. Why does Google have a problem with this. They just make more money. What if somebody wants to pay a lot of money and be the only ad. It is also quite helpfull when some dope trys to make me pay more when he is not paying much. Life anint fair money should talk. That is the American way. Each companies goal is to make as much money as possble with the least amount of effort. Google may be very idealistic now but when the corperate guys get a hold of them it will be MS tactics for all.

ninhld

12:33 am on Dec 9, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Thanks, AWA, it's reassuring to know that things aren't quite so draconian in practice. :-) That said, the Terms of Service still seem a little heavy handed to me. As I read it, my account *could* be immediately banned for something as simple as having an irrelevant destination URL?
(TOS section 6) "You may not include links to any Web site(s) as part of your ad, unless the content found at such site(s) is relevant to your Target(s) and/or ad creative. (...) Violation of these policies may result in immediate termination of this Agreement without notice, and may subject you to state and federal penalties and other legal consequences."

I definitely understand Google's need and right to terminate accounts for a variety of reasons, but I do wish the TOS specified some sort of escalation procedure for terminations. If nothing else, though, it would be nice to have a FAQ entry indicating that terminations normally go through the escalation procedure that you just described.

Nerowolfe

Google can ban immediately your account with no reason at all.
Here is a sentence from the ToS : "Google may at any time terminate the Program, terminate this Agreement, or cancel any ad(s) or your use of any Target"

ogletree

5:32 pm on Dec 9, 2003 (gmt 0)

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That is normal contract language.

lukasz

10:12 pm on Dec 9, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Each companies goal is to make as much money as possble with the least amount of effort

except that some companies would like to stay around for while. Google earns money becouse they provide relevant information. As a google user, would you appreciate results dominated by one company?

webdiversity

11:57 pm on Dec 9, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I wonder why Overture allows 2 accounts.

Overture do not allow 2 accounts, advertising the same site.

There are instances where multiple accounts will be useful from an accounting/admin perspective, but each one must target a different product/service.

We have clients where they have several Google accounts, but each one is for a unique project, with no crossover of inventory.

ogletree

4:01 pm on Dec 12, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I just did a search and one site is mentioned twice on the right side. Is that against the rules and how do you turn them in.

eWhisper

4:19 pm on Dec 12, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I just did a search and one site is mentioned twice on the right side. Is that against the rules and how do you turn them in.

I'd first check to see if it's an affiliate. Then inside your AdWords account, click on the 'contact us' link and send them the details of the ads and the KW. If it's an affiliate, you just need to tell G that the affiliate isn't identifing themself as such, if it's the same site, then let them know.

They generally take a week or two to complete the investigation, and you won't receive an email to their decision as they consider it an internal matter. If in a week or two, it's still there, then fire off another email as sometimes these things get overlooked or not thoroughly investigated. Generally G will end up taking appropriate action after the first mail though.

ogletree

5:22 pm on Dec 12, 2003 (gmt 0)

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The funny thing is that he is number 2 and 7 it makes no since. I don't know if I even care that he has 2 it is just funny. It is not an affiliate they point to the same site. The title and description are different.

ASFx2600

8:51 pm on Dec 12, 2003 (gmt 0)

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This is a new question, but within the same subject. My girlfriend is thinking about trying adwords and advertising her own affiliates, but we live together. Is there any chance we might actually get banned since our address and contact information is all the same?

AdWordsAdvisor

2:17 am on Dec 13, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Essentially, the question of multiple accounts is addressed on a case-by-case basis - taking into consideration the actual circumstances of the situation.

And there is always a review process, if you feel that we've made a mistake.

At the end of the day, the reason behind our policy is to prevent one advertiser from taking up more than one space for a given keyword search.

Why? To be fair to your competitors who want to have an even shot of appearing.

AWA

markus007

7:57 pm on Dec 14, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Why? To be fair to your competitors who want to have an even shot of appearing.

ATA, what about affiliates? Sometimes you search for a product etc, you see the company's ad on the side followed by 4 or 5 affiliate ads for the same company. Wouldn't this be the same as a competitor who doesn't have an affiliate program just creating multipul adwords accounts? Just trying to follow googles line of reasoning is all....

eWhisper

8:30 pm on Dec 14, 2003 (gmt 0)

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With affiliates, one of the worries, is the company making several 'affiliates' run by employees, or the company, masking the fact they're not affiliates, but the actual company, and then just bidding on endless accounts.

This would be very easy to do, and I wouldn't be suprised if it was already being done in some areas.