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security56

4:51 am on Oct 4, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Hi all, first of all I hate scrapers :), but today I came past this post on this site which u can read about here
[webmasterworld.com...]

Now its talking about duplicate content, and I made a comment about this site I am working on which is a software site.

Now a lot of my links were drop from google :( and I think it might have being because of google might have seing my site content as duplicate. Reason being since the site is relatively new and no many programmers are adding programs to my site as of right now so I get most of my programs from cnet downloads or softpedia,

Note: I do it manually, and I dont usually link to their download programs, I just copy the programs defenition and version ect...

Now since we talking about software and there is only one description for each software, so for example if you look for musicmatch in cnet and also in softpedia you will find basically the same defenition :)

I just want to get your guys views on this, so I can decide if its worth it continuing on with this site or just drop it :)

PS: if you a webmaster of software sites I would love your feed back on this issue.

Thanks

jomaxx

5:38 am on Oct 4, 2005 (gmt 0)

WebmasterWorld Senior Member 10+ Year Member



HI, first of all I don't think sticking a label of "scraper" or "not a scraper" on your site will help you move forward in a productive way.

From your description, it does sound like your site has little truly original content. And we know that Google is working hard to eliminate such sites -- not to penalize them for doing what they do, but simply because there is little benefit to end users in indexing the same content over and over and over.

I think you should ask yourself if you are adding any value, adding anything unique, with this website. If you are, then make sure you rewrite those descriptions and supplement them with as much new individualized content as possible. If not, then what's the point of it existing at all?

JohnDoealias

7:44 am on Oct 4, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Any site(maybe including Google itself) could be considered as a scraper.
Any adsense(except Google itself) click could be considered as invalid clicks.
So be careful. You don't want to get banned.

ann

7:49 am on Oct 4, 2005 (gmt 0)

WebmasterWorld Senior Member 10+ Year Member



Another consideration:

You say you are working on this site? Are you building or improving?

If you are building do you have any links in place but the pages not yet built/linked?

Google guidelines for submitting or even for adsense is suppose to be a site should be completed or functioning without any broken links.

I would also stay away from the "work in progress" statements as they are a big clue that it is not finished.

Ann

ann

7:54 am on Oct 4, 2005 (gmt 0)

WebmasterWorld Senior Member 10+ Year Member



Another thing: the "information" you take about the discription of each item should be completely rewritten so as to make it more in your words and not viewed as "scraped" or duplicated.

If it is a legal thing for you to grab these discriptions then by all means, rewrite them.

Ann

security56

2:43 pm on Oct 4, 2005 (gmt 0)

10+ Year Member



Thanks guys for your feedback.

Well this the thing the main difference from my site to the other download site its that I will try to have every version of the program, :) all other downloads site they usually have the the latest version, but some people when they do search including myself look for a particular version of the software, why we do it lol well one reason that even tho some software is new does not mean its better then old ones, This the main reason why I created the site so I can have all the versions archive :)

My site is fully functional, no broken links, all the downloads are either from my server or from the software maker which is aloud .

About writing my own description, umm thats should be the main thing I should concentrate on, But I dont mean to sound lazy, but since all the download sites use basically the same description how much change should I make lol, I mean there is only one way to describe a software, Excuse my lazy side for trying to make an excuse.

The next step will be to go straight to google adsense and email them to see if the site is consider a scraper if so just remove google and use it for my own which was the original though :)

Anyways thanks guys and trust me I taking this comment to heart, like I say I hate scrapers site and thats the last thing I want to do.

europeforvisitors

2:55 pm on Oct 4, 2005 (gmt 0)



From your description, it does sound like your site has little truly original content. And we know that Google is working hard to eliminate such sites -- not to penalize them for doing what they do, but simply because there is little benefit to end users in indexing the same content over and over and over.

Right, because Google Search's job is to help users find relevant content on Web pages. And AdSense's job is to serve ads that are targeted to content on Web pages. Which is another way of saying that both Google Search and AdSense are interested in the descriptions, not in what's being described. It doesn't matter if you've got great software downloads or wonderful products or superb customer service; those factors are irrelevant to to Google Search and AdSense, which are in the business of matching users and ads to relevant text strings.

hunderdown

3:09 pm on Oct 4, 2005 (gmt 0)



I mean there is only one way to describe a software.

I read that statement with surprise. Are you serious, or just not thinking things through? There are as many ways to describe a piece of software as there are people on this planet! Yes, there's a standard statement put out by the creator of the software, but why should you even regard that as the best piece of description?

You can vary a description in many ways. Length: From one sentence to page after page after page. Complexity: From simple to highly technical. Degree of description: No adjectives, or many. Degree of objectivity: From purely descriptive to highly judgmental. And so on.

Perhaps you were thinking of the technical specifications? Even with those, you can vary the order so it's not the same as what appears on another site. Or put them on a separate page.

Your site is far more likely to be indexed well (and linked to, which is as important, if not more so) if you write original description, even if it's just a paragraph.

jomaxx

3:33 pm on Oct 4, 2005 (gmt 0)

WebmasterWorld Senior Member 10+ Year Member



Another problem is that you're probably getting large amounts of your text from one site or a small group of sites. This puts you at MUCH higher of getting into trouble over copyright than if you are taking only a snippet or a paragraph from thousands of diverse sites.

A mitigating factor is that most of these descriptions may have been originally submitted by the author, but nonetheless you can't just spider another site and republish it under your own name.

P.S. I love the idea of having multiple versions of software available. I've had to find out-of-date versions from time to time and I've never found a good place to do it. Of course you may have problems with software companies who don't WANT old versions floating around, authors who have turned nagware into time-limited trial software and don't want the free version to be available, etc.

security56

4:43 pm on Oct 4, 2005 (gmt 0)

10+ Year Member



hunderdown, you right I think I know now what to do I will describe the software using my own lingo, lol you could say, they talk too much about the programs when they describe it anyways.

Hey jomaxx so you think the software manufactures made get me in trouble for having old versions, man I don’t want to get sue, and you right the main reason why people looks for old versions is to find a way around them trial wares you could say 
I am thinking more and more that I should just take the googles ads out and make this a private site for my friends and I . I am not making no money anyways from it lol

Thanks Guys