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Livenomadic

8:42 pm on Nov 3, 2003 (gmt 0)

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So, I got accepted for adsense about a week ago.

YAY

In my excitement I told my son about adsense and about how they let our site make money...

After about a week I had made a GREAT ammount of money from adsense. Much Much more than I had ever thought possible. Too good to be true?

Yes, my son had been trying to be helpful and had actually been clicking my ads from our house! EEEEEKKKK!

When I found out I explain calming and with humor that it was wrong and he shouldnt do it again. After he left the room I allowed myself to FREAK OUT and email google right away telling them about my problem and offered to have all earning I had made to be erased.

The next day I got a reply stating they thanked me for informing them aboout the clicks and they had "noted your information" (anyone know what that means?)

Also they stated how to get the URL for the ad without clicking it (right click and copy).

That was all they said. Currently my earning are still in my account and havent been touched, I have NO idea what "noted your information" means, and am only semi-scared now.

Anyone have any insight into this?

Livenomadic

9:43 pm on Nov 4, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I dont agree with clicking on your own ads for any reason.

But also I have to admit it seems find of ridiculous that I cannot click on a image on my own site.

It would seems so logical to block ips, but oh well... since they dont do that... I wont click.

loanuniverse

9:52 pm on Nov 4, 2003 (gmt 0)

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This should really be minimum requirement for any decent adbroker service.

I don't agree. Why can't people just refrain from clicking? BTW, if I remember correctly on that thread where the wife clicked on one of the ads, Googleguy commented that he should not worry. This leads me to conclude that the threshold for being considered fraudulent is more than one click, which could happen by mistake.

Livenomadic

9:53 pm on Nov 4, 2003 (gmt 0)

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im guessing googleguy works for google?

heini

9:54 pm on Nov 4, 2003 (gmt 0)

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>the question is not what they can and can't do. It's a question of honesty

The question is also what is practical, enforceable, and agreeable.
Google is new to this business, they have to deal with a whole plethora of problems which they never had to deal with before.
Google has demonstrated in the past that they are willing to learn and adapt to reality.

Livenomadic

9:57 pm on Nov 4, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I do get comfort thinking that google had better things to deal with than the clicks my son made.

Im fine with big brother as long as he is looking somewhere else :)

Macro

10:02 pm on Nov 4, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Livenomadic, yes. And he posts here from time to time.

I can test Google to see how practical, enforceable, and agreeable they are. I can push them to see how adaptable they are. Or I can stick to the TOS.

Most webmasters here look at the last Adsense cheque they got and suddenly don't have a problem choosing. Now let's go dig out those cheques I've been collecting and go through them again :-)

Jenstar

11:32 pm on Nov 4, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Here is the infamous My wife clicked an ad! [webmasterworld.com] thread. But also note with GoogleGuy's reply, it was only one single click that was made, not several clicks every day ;)

No one really knows what the threshold is before a fraudulent clicks email is sent. It doesn't seem to be a few. But how many a day does it take? 5, 10, 20, 50? Or is one single click every day for a month enough? You will never see Google releasing this information, because it would encourage people to click on their ads, if they know they can click 4 ads a day because it isn't until 5 clicks a day that an email is sent.

And perhaps they track IPs, and if the same IP clicks more than a certain number of ads in a month, it is enough to warrant a closer look.

And even with the invalid clicks email, specifics aren't given, so that email could be referring to invalid clicks from the day before, or clicks from a month ago.

loanuniverse

11:43 pm on Nov 4, 2003 (gmt 0)

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practical it is the most practical for google, let fraudbot loose and let him find out. I would have agreed if you had said it is not fair. I concur that getting in trouble for things beyond your control is not fair.

enforceable from the point of view of Google, yes it is enforceable.

agreeable Something we all did when getting into the program.

Loopsided agreement benefiting Google over the publishers Yes, I would have written in that way and even a bit harsher if I were in their position.

Unconscionable Not really.

heini

11:53 pm on Nov 4, 2003 (gmt 0)

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The way I see it Content ads are the new banner ads, they are not listings on Google Serps.
It's ads brokerage, publisher make a slice, broker makes a slice, while advertizer pays and gripes about quality of traffic.
It's an old game really, and Google will eventually play by the same rules as the other services.

Visi

11:54 pm on Nov 4, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Looks at Brett....can I have the stick back now? I want to go stir up a different thread:)

Looking past the obvious in his post, the ownership and editorial freedoms of your site are yours not others. In reverse if you sell your soul to the advertisers, you have to abide by their rules.

Think I will "ride the golden goose" foe a bit yet. There is nothing in their terms which I have found yet that restricts my creative freedom.

But right now I'm on my way to find an innocent to bring to the dark side of clicking ads..... :)

loanuniverse

12:14 am on Nov 5, 2003 (gmt 0)

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It's an old game really, and Google will eventually play by the same rules as the other services.

You are right, very good analogy. I mean is not like old games {like baseball} change their rules. I mean if that were to happen someone would have at least written a page about it, and call it something like The history of rule changes and post it someqhere in the net like say [espn.go.com...]

I completely agree.

I hope this does not offend :)

heini

12:37 am on Nov 5, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Nice, but just like football (no, not football, Football!) lots of changes over the centuries, yet essentiall the same game.
It's the underlying structure and interests defining the game.

Besides, I would not think advertizers would be happy to learn that their adbroker should not even be able to automatically filter out the publishers IP.

loanuniverse

12:43 am on Nov 5, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Besides, I would not think advertizers would be happy to learn that their adbroker should not even be able to automatically filter out the publishers IP.

I respectfully submit that the fact that Google has not commented on blocking the ips of publisher does not mean that they are unable to do it or that they are not doing it already. It might be the way that they are doing it that hurts some people's sensibilities.

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