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Another "My Earnings have Collapsed" Thread

         

BeeDeeDubbleU

4:41 pm on Aug 11, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Forgive me for starting another one of these threads but the month of July was a record month for me and since the start of this month things have all gone pear shaped. Basically what seems to have happened is that my eCPM has dropped significantly.

All this advertising stuff is really quite new to me so can anyone explain exactly what is the significance of eCPM or alternatively point me to a thread where this has been discussed in the past?

Sweet Cognac

4:53 pm on Aug 11, 2005 (gmt 0)

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You have 1,452 posts, and all this advertising is new to you? WoW

Anyway, our eCPM started out low this month too, like advertisers were fixing their budgets. Yesterday things were back to normal.

Bottom line: Adsense is like being on a roller coaster ride.

Frequent

4:58 pm on Aug 11, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Is this trend you are seeing across a bunch of sites? Are your sites all focussed one one general niche that has a definate seasonal pattern? End of summer does see advertisers cutting budgets in some markets.

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KenS

5:03 pm on Aug 11, 2005 (gmt 0)

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The first ten days of this month were tragic. A sudden 50% drop. Then suddenly today everything is good again. I stopped trying to make sense of this type of fluctuation some time ago.

Traffic is down slightly also, maybe 10%. I am putting this down to the vacation season in Europe. Strange thing is, normally on bad traffic days my earnings stay the same.

hunderdown

5:12 pm on Aug 11, 2005 (gmt 0)



eCPM tells you what a site or a channel is earning per 1,000 impressions. It depends on your CTR and your EPC--as one or both of them go up, it goes up.

It's useful because you can use it to compare what you are earning from AdSense to what you earn from, for example, banner ads or affiliate links.

People have said on this board that an eCPM of over $10 is pretty good. (I was very happy when I got above that level....)

If your eCPM goes down, the first thing to do is see if it's click-through rate or cost per click that has gone down, or both, and then move from there to figure out what to do.

oddsod

8:27 pm on Aug 11, 2005 (gmt 0)

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>> People have said on this board that an eCPM of over $10 is pretty good.

It's all relative. On many of my sites I'd be depressed if eCPM fell below $50. But I have some sites where I don't hope to ever reach $5.00. Generalisations about eCPM don't help as eCPM is not an indicator that can be compared across sites/sectors/audiences.

BeeDeeDubbleU

8:39 pm on Aug 11, 2005 (gmt 0)

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You have 1,452 posts, and all this advertising is new to you?

Well actually I started using Adsense last year and it was my first venture into carrying adverts. Am I missing something? Is there a direct relationship between the number of posts you make on WW and advertising skills?

Actually my eCPM last month was approximately $150 and this month it is down to $50. I enjoy an unusually high eCPM presumably because most of my earnings come from a single, high earning, niche site.

Re Adsense, for a few months I just took what I could get as a supplement to my earnings but a couple of months ago I made my first serious attempt at Adsense optimisation and it worked. I now realise its potential and like many others I get concerned when I see drastic changes in either direction. I was just wondering if something had gone wrong that I had missed.

universetoday

12:55 am on Aug 12, 2005 (gmt 0)

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As traffic rises, eCPM usually drops in lock-step. This isn't a hard and fast rule, but if your website is largely about a single keyword, you can expect this behaviour.

brokenbricks

1:02 am on Aug 12, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Bottom line: Adsense is like being on a roller coaster ride.

No kidding, Tuesday was my highest day ever with Adsense, felt pretty good about myself, the day after I had high expectations, only to find it to be one of my lowest if not the lowest day ever.

Nothing is ever guaranteed.

Echo123

1:05 am on Aug 12, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I'm a much smaller earner, but my eCPM has all but bottomed out across all my sites this month.

FromRocky

1:13 am on Aug 12, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Actually my eCPM last month was approximately $150 and this month it is down to $50. I enjoy an unusually high eCPM presumably because most of my earnings come from a single, high earning, niche site.

The cause of this drop may be due to some changes in one or two best advertisers in your niche. These changes include the opting-out of the content site, reduction of max. CPC bid, temporarily pausing the campaign, etc. Thus, your eCPC may be improved if the change is just temporarily.

europeforvisitors

1:17 am on Aug 12, 2005 (gmt 0)



As of today, my eCPM for August is running at just over 90% of July's. Like KenS, I figure that the slight drop is because of Europeans (and quite a few non-Europeans) being on vacation. And if past experience is any guide, traffic and earnings will pick up later in the month and remain strong at least into October.

I think August is probably a slow time for advertising in general, at least for sectors that don't involve back-to-school buying. (PC Magazine publishes only one issue in August instead of the usual two, presumably because it can't fill up its pages with the usual quota of ads.)

great_9

1:43 am on Aug 12, 2005 (gmt 0)

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my cpm dropped too. it was 10 do 12$, now is 5-6$ for the last three days.

BeeDeeDubbleU

12:49 pm on Aug 14, 2005 (gmt 0)

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This trend is continuing for me and it is now a major concern. My earnings for the first 14 days of August are way below half of what I earned in July for the same period. What's going on?

Marcia

12:57 pm on Aug 14, 2005 (gmt 0)

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>>You have 1,452 posts, and all this advertising is new to you?
>>Am I missing something? Is there a direct relationship between the number of posts you make on WW and advertising skills?

Ya, I've got a few more posts than that and there's still plenty of stuff that's new to me, too.

July was great, a record month and this one is turning out to be even better - it may be the subject matter or the particular market. Could the drop have anything to do with seasonal fluctuations?

kokaroach

1:35 pm on Aug 14, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Hmmm. I'm seeing a 10-15% increase in ecpm over the past 10 days or so, over July's averages.

By the way, last month I broke the $10,000 barrier with Adsense ;-)

K

BeeDeeDubbleU

10:31 am on Aug 21, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Another week has gone by and there has been no improvement in performance. My earnings are still running at less than half of what they were in July. Closer analysis suggests that this started on Thursday 28 July. Does anyone have any suggestions as to what could be causing this?

Sweet Cognac

11:06 am on Aug 21, 2005 (gmt 0)

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>>You have 1,452 posts, and all this advertising is new to you?
>>Am I missing something? Is there a direct relationship between the number of posts you make on WW and advertising skills?

Ya, I've got a few more posts than that and there's still plenty of stuff that's new to me, too.

Sorry that was presumptuous of me. It just seems that with this many posts you spend alot of time also reading the forums. But I guess you could be posting in the other forums.

Anyway, our earnings are faltering across the board. We attribute the slump at the end of July to "advertiser running out of budget" and we are attributing the lowness during August to "advertisers having a hard time adjusting their budgets to the new Adwords system."

lammert

11:40 am on Aug 21, 2005 (gmt 0)

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(...) started on Thursday 28 July. Does anyone have any suggestions as to what could be causing this?

Thursday 28 July was the day that many sites were banned at once from the SERPs (DMOZ clones, link directories etc). Maybe Google divides sites in three categories:

  • Good sites that deserve the full AdSense CPC
  • Average sites that get the benefit of the doubt
  • Bad sites where smart pricing is used

Assuming that the sites that fall out of the SERPs where of the third category, maybe some sites of the second category fell into the third and smart pricing kicked in.

BeeDeeDubbleU

12:47 pm on Aug 21, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I don't think so. This particular site contains original content written by me about a specific type of software. It has about 100 pages of mostly informational material about this software and it is used as a reference point by many people seeking information about it. It also has inbound links from most of the other authority sites in this niche and it retains its high position in the SERPs.

This site would be an ideal place for vendors to display their ads and some of them have approached me directly to inquire about this, so I don't think smart pricing would affect it adversely.

The Contractor

9:54 pm on Aug 21, 2005 (gmt 0)

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How are the ads - are they targeted or are you getting a single ads taking up a full block that are not targeted?

I noticed today I am seeing a lot of these types of ads and I actually just finished writing support. An example would be if a travel site had page content that was all about "cruises" the one ad block would show a single ad for "ship building". It is not for lack of ad inventory and maybe the "ship building" advertiser is paying more, but what's the chance of someone reading about a cruise then clicking on a ship building advertisement? Besides, it looks a lot like spam to me, totally ridiculous in my opinion.

BeeDeeDubbleU

9:31 am on Aug 22, 2005 (gmt 0)

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No, my ads are still very highly targeted. This is not the problem. My site is about a very specific subject and the ads always seem to be right on the money.

grandpa

9:45 am on Aug 22, 2005 (gmt 0)

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We will always be left to guess. Fortunately the collective best guess is usually an accurate indication, whether we can confirm it or not. I'm guessing (along with several others) that it's partly seasonal and partly due to recent changes with AdWords. I know I dropped a couple of keywords - because I didn't like the alternative.

It's a good thing then that posts in Foo aren't counted

BeeDeeDubbleU

7:48 am on Aug 30, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Well that's August just about done and the whole month has been a disaster for me. My earnings are down by about 60% on July for no apparent reason.

Looks like it's back to the drawing board :(