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Anyone seeing lower CTR?

About half of what it normally is for me

         

JohnKelly

1:23 pm on Oct 9, 2003 (gmt 0)

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My CTR today is about half of what it normally is, and I haven't noticed a lot of PSA's. Was wondeirng if it's related to the broad matching that was launched....

Anyone else seeing this?

ap_Rhys

1:56 pm on Oct 9, 2003 (gmt 0)

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...and my CTR is running at double the usual level.

Probably just a statistical quirk. Today's stats are coming through really slowly and (on my traffic levels, anyway) it is far too soon to tell if there's a material change as a result of broad matching.

Clark

2:33 pm on Oct 9, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I think something's up today. I'm seeing the same low ctr and low stats for this time of day too...

Monus

4:29 pm on Oct 9, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I think also that there is something's up today.
I am wondering what's the problem... a update?

hyperkik

8:06 pm on Oct 9, 2003 (gmt 0)

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It may have to do with Google's new broad matching tool, and a flood of new bids on "bargain" keywords entering the market. Ideally, in the long run, this will mean better targeted ads, less end-of-month drop-off, and better overall returns. In the short-run, it will probably have some peculiar effects as Google determines relevancy and click-through rates for countless new bids.

daugava

5:05 pm on Oct 10, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I am experiencing lowered CTR and CPC too, for a second day in a row.

Hyperkik, could you tell me more about the "broad matching tool" you referred too? Is there an article that discusses it?

Andy

Jenstar

5:52 pm on Oct 10, 2003 (gmt 0)

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The broad match tool [webmasterworld.com]

There are plenty of other discussions over in the Adwords forum on this.

hooloovoo22

5:54 pm on Oct 10, 2003 (gmt 0)

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yea...garbage couple of days. My adwords actually have been ok but adsense hurting. I plan on just riding out the storm

2oddSox

6:16 pm on Oct 10, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I've experienced probably the best run of days over the last week that I've had since I joined the program. There was a time however, last month, where everything went South bar my impressions. During that time others were saying how well their program was doing.

What I take from all this is not to worry about drops, increases, levellings out, etc. It's the bottom line that matters, and as long as AdSense outperforms other advertising for the space it takes up, trying to analyse every little peak and trough is futile.

2odd...

markus007

6:26 pm on Oct 10, 2003 (gmt 0)

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My CPC doubled over night (GO broadmatching), but the stats for today are delayed at least 5 hours.

hooloovoo22

6:32 pm on Oct 10, 2003 (gmt 0)

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attempts to analyze
will be futile.
assimilate

I believe that was taken straight from the TOS right oddsox?

globay

6:49 pm on Oct 10, 2003 (gmt 0)

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There are so many factors, that influence CTR, and that can influence CTR heavily, we have all heard of these.

In my case there are some days where my high CTR is only a third of the usual average. I don't want to blame Google, but I would love to have more detailed statistics, which would give me more control to possibly recognize these factors, to avoid low income days.

2oddSox

7:02 pm on Oct 10, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I believe that was taken straight from the TOS right oddsox?

D'oh, no. It was taken from experience.

2odd...

ap_Rhys

8:43 pm on Oct 10, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Some people should take a basic course in statistics.

All this neuroticism over variations in relatively low numbers.

If you are getting thousands of clicks a day you may have something to worry about when CTR halves, doubles or does a somersault.

Otherwise you can expect ups and downs that mean ... nothing.

woop01

9:32 pm on Oct 10, 2003 (gmt 0)

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If every person who has posted a thread over a one or two day drop in their individual CPCs or CTRs is correct, Google has dropped both the CPC and CTR about three dozen times now.

Jane_Doe

10:25 pm on Oct 10, 2003 (gmt 0)

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One reason for drops that I can see is a huge increase in computer generated garbage spam sites in the SERPs with adsense ads on them. I'm seeing an overwhelming amount in a couple of areas I follow -- networks of sites with no real content except nonsense phrases with just the right keyword density of the target phrases included in the word jumbles and then, of course, adsense ads at the top of all of the pages.

I suspect this would then cause existing content sites to have more PSA ads as some of the pool of nonPSA ads get shifted to the new crop of Adsense targetted spam sites.

Jenstar

10:32 pm on Oct 10, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Jane_Doe, you will find the vast majority of those kinds of sites running AdSense are actually free hosting sites that are running AdSense as a default on all the pages (in place of the banner ads you used to see running on the free hosting sites).

Not sure how Google will deal with this, or if they will, but it would definitely affect the CTR of Adwords advertisers, and cause more to opt-out of displaying their ads through content-based targeting.

Jane_Doe

10:37 pm on Oct 10, 2003 (gmt 0)

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> you will find the vast majority of those kinds of sites running AdSense are actually free hosting sites that are running AdSense as a default on all the pages

I actually don't find the majority of those sites to be on free hosting sites.

Jenstar

10:40 pm on Oct 10, 2003 (gmt 0)

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The ones I have seen are. Some aren't obvious that it is through a free host, but looking at the code for the Google script shows that it is.

Jane_Doe

10:48 pm on Oct 10, 2003 (gmt 0)

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> The ones I have seen are. Some aren't obvious that it is through a free host, but looking at the code for the Google script shows that it is.

With billions of pages in Google, it is unlikely we would both be referring to the same sites, or even sites within the same market segments.

daugava

10:59 pm on Oct 10, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I've seen some sites like this. Completely meaningless phrases, with the keywords stuck in the middle.

That is, the phrases may be ok as such, but once the keyword is added, you see stuff like this: "Buy our MIGRAINE. We have lowest prices on MIGRAINE".

Good example how computers are not smart yet - it takes few secs for a human to recognize this as a spam site, but a crawler fails to understand that.

Andg

Clark

11:01 pm on Oct 10, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I'm with Jane Doe. I heard about the technique here first. They send a spider to scour the web. Use content from your pages. Then Google indexes the content.

They get keyword referrals from all the search engines and create new content based on those keywords. Heck, they may even use that to search google for sites with those words on it, spider the site, get some more keyword related content...and for every search term there is an autogenerated new page as well as autogenerated links to other pages...with keyword dense links. Adsense ads on top. Total junk content. PERFECT abuse of the google system...

Jenstar

11:07 pm on Oct 10, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Those are the ones that are being suspended by Google due to lack of content. But the ones that are running on free host networks, with AdSense being run by host, are here to stay it seems.

Putting AdSense on any kind of pages just filled with keywords and no content will eventually cause much more significant problems in the long run. It will be hard for AdSense to continue if all the advertisers are opting out, especially when they see their ads running on kw kw kw kind of sites.

Jane_Doe

11:22 pm on Oct 10, 2003 (gmt 0)

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> Total junk content. PERFECT abuse of the google system...

Exactly. They used to be a favorite for doorway pages but now I mostly see them being used for generating adsense revenue.

I'm very familiar with them because my sites have been a frequent target for having pieces of content ripped off. I sometimes find the bogus pages by searching for unique phrases from my pages in Google. Then sometimes I'll see the same exact phrase turn up in the SERPs on doorway pages, often on a cloaked doorway page with no cache file.

[edited by: Jane_Doe at 11:53 pm (utc) on Oct. 10, 2003]

europeforvisitors

11:23 pm on Oct 10, 2003 (gmt 0)



Putting AdSense on any kind of pages just filled with keywords and no content will eventually cause much more significant problems in the long run. It will be hard for AdSense to continue if all the advertisers are opting out, especially when they see their ads running on kw kw kw kind of sites.

That's the downside of the strategy Google chose when it launched AdSense. Google took the Amazon.com approach of seeking ubiquity, and now it'll have to deal with the resulting mess.

Of course, it's possible that Google already has a cleanup strategy in place. Letting advertisers opt in or out of specific domains would go a long way toward alleviating the concerns of businesses that worry about low ROI from ads on junk pages.