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1. Most advertisers that are stupid enough to bid $70/click for something probably are not tracking conversions, and therefore concentrating solely on the amount of clicks they get and the amount of money they spend per day.
The second they see odd fluctuations (like you screwing with the keyword bid landscape by throwing tremendous amounts of traffic to high paying terms), they yell "clickfraud" to Google and you get looked at. I'd bet half of the whining around here about getting knocked from AdSense for "no reason" is due to this behavior.
2. The easiest way to get on a watchlist if I ran an advertising network would be to target terms like "mesothelioma", "structured settlements", etc. No one makes websites about mesothelioma as a hobby. If I were Google, I'd automatically add sites to a watch list as soon as they targetted ads for the top 100 terms.
3. I'm fairly certain (80%?) that Google fictiously seeds some of the keyword market with incorrect traffic volume and CPC click prices. There's tremendous advantages to doing so, and little reason not to do so. It's similar to the way some people insert watermarks in images. They're protecting their precious bid landscape data.
Don't be an idiot publisher. Go for terms that pay well, but not stupid well, and that the keyword landscape wouldn't notice an extra 2% clicks per month.
Guess I better cut back on those breast implant websites now that the cat is out of the bag.
[edited by: Webwork at 12:46 am (utc) on June 16, 2005]
Now you tell me.
Thanks a pant load..
You hit me on most of your points..
I can't help it though - everything I talk about happens to have high value clicks... even got one that is the max you can get on G.
I even work in the asbestos field!
Just because you are not 50 something and have not had 15 jobs you shouldn't knock people who have the experience to write about most anything they want to - because they've experienced it.
I'd be writing right now and adding another 25 a day but I now have to spend all my time tracking down content thiefs and 302s.
But thank g I'm not a lawyer.
I am afraid to hear the answer, but is it like "ali baba and the 40 thieves"...or four hundred thieves?
> Don't be an idiot publisher
Funny how tough that is for some people. Money clouds the reality I guess...
Be smart enough to change your template in regards to naming conventions, script names, dynamic titles and the like if you are publishing garbage sites. It is really easy to indentify your entire network with a few searches that include some of this info.
"dynamic text snippet" inurl:script-name.aspx
It lets you fill the 25 negative site list in adwords instantly.
Here is the reasons >
1 - Adsense geeks buy such lists for ideas for their next website. ideas dont fall from the sky, you need some assistance in the same. And if a list is telling you exactly which topic will give you more...then why not make website on mesothelioma than making a website on "Hair style" or "Hair color"?
2 - Such lists (if have a search feature) can give you exactly which keywords come under a topic that you are to target when you are making a new website on a new topic. You cant just figure it out in your dreams.
Yes, you are right, noone will get $70 for a click. but hey! Some people have reported $17 per click they have got once in a blue moon. Google indeed is clever and tries to get these ads exhausted thru its network and avoids sharing on such keywords.
I dont know about you...but I am making like $2.50 per click from such lists easily. I guess you ad a negative experience with such a list earlier. Thats why you are so much negative about the same.
I am sorry if I was harsh...but It was the same tone in which you were talking. You are moderator and I dont know if you can ban me form this forum too or not...but this is a forum...please suggest us the things..and not paste it on us.
but I am making like $2.50 per click from such lists easily
Which are the lists buddy?
[edited by: engine at 9:00 pm (utc) on June 22, 2005]
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I'm not sure you covered his main points.
[edited by: engine at 9:38 pm (utc) on June 22, 2005]
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I'm not sure you covered his main points.
I am not here to cut his points. I am here to make my own. And I do invite anyone out there to cut my points.
If you like me to give answer to his points...here they are:
1. Most advertisers that are stupid enough to bid $70/click for something probablyare not tracking conversions, and therefore concentrating solely on the amount of clicks they get and the amount of money they spend per day.The second they see odd fluctuations (like you screwing with the keyword bid landscape by throwing tremendous amounts of traffic to high paying terms), they yell "clickfraud" to Google and you get looked at. I'd bet half of the whining around here about getting knocked from AdSense for "no reason" is due to this behavior.
The above one is a mere assumption. If there are 18,000 plus keywords who are above $10, there must be atleast hundreds of people bidding over those. And all cant be stupid to go on without tracking their sales ratio.
Google has its own sofesticated ways to track down fruads. I am a user of Adwords too and I was refunded around $50 on Adwords because a click fruad struck me. And I never yelled "click fraud" to google. And those, who have habbit of yelling, I have seen Google filing legal cases against them. Google is super :)
2. The easiest way to get on a watchlist if I ran an advertising network would be to target terms like "mesothelioma", "structured settlements", etc. No one makes websites about mesothelioma as a hobby. If I were Google, I'd automatically add sites to a watch list as soon as they targetted ads for the top 100 terms.
Google is concerned about 2 things -
1 - Genuine Traffic
2 - Genuine Content
If you are making a genuine site with genuine content where you intend to serve the visitors with some very good information, Google wont dare to BAN your Website. Yes! Obviously Google is watching you. No doubt in that. But Google can also sense if its a genuine traffic or not.
Google is making money from you. It wont ban you if you have made a website on mesothelioma out of hobby and by chance, serving good information on it too.
3. I'm fairly certain (80%?) that Google fictiously seeds some of the keyword market with incorrect traffic volume and CPC click prices. There's tremendous advantages to doing so, and little reason not to do so. It's similar to the way some people insert watermarks in images. They're protecting their precious bid landscape data.
Again a assumption only. Even if the google is doing that....then how much data of such list is affected? let me make an assumption too. These lists in that case will be 90% accurate too. :)
[edited by: engine at 6:28 am (utc) on June 23, 2005]
