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Guess what? It's been 2 weeks. All these websites are still UP and RUNNING google ads. Google did nothing to disable them from the program. So I reported them again, several days ago. And nothing. These websites are still UP and RUNNING displaying google ads and making money.
Another sad aspect of the program is how much content theft is being directly stimulated by it. There's always been content theft, but now since any type of content can potentially earn a few cents here and there, the incidence of theft is skyrocketing.
Adsense has been very good to many publishers, but the long term effect of the program, due to google's extraordinarily poor supervision of their publishers, is damaging to the web.
the long term effect of the program, due to google's extraordinarily poor supervision of their publishers, is damaging to the web.
Unfortunately, that seems to be the case. I saw a forum the other day where the posters were asked to click an ad a day. Then the forum's income would be divided by the top 10 posters etc. And the thing is the front forum seems somewhat clean. But once you login, a lot of it degenerates into adult content in the hidden forums. Google just does not care. Or so it seems.
They may have marked those publishers accounts, they may be investigating further, they may be working out ways of dealing with it with an algorithm to catch these type sites "en masse".
Brett said it well in another thread (talking about something completely different):
...what I'm saying is that for every public minute we do something...there are 10 support minutes...that is going on under the hood.
Just because you don't see it happening, doesn't mean they aren't working on a solution.
I'm sure they realize that fraudulent clicks and incentivized clicks are a detriment to the program.
My theory is termination of account is triggered only by their "smart" algorithm not by human.
I think you might be right. The Google Guy once said something along these lines for search. That is most sites were removed from the Google index not by hand but by the algorithm. Now I know the search algorithm and AdSense algorithm aren’t the same but Google could be using the same policies for both.
[edited by: jahfingers at 6:27 am (utc) on May 27, 2005]
I don’t think we should be telling on each other. It reminds me of the old East German Stasi or some other evil state were neighbor tells on neighbor. Let’s all just learn to live and let live. After all, the market will sort this all out. The good providers of content will succeed and the not so good will fade away. Welcome to the invisible hand of capitalism!
I am new to all this, but I am trying to created a “beautiful” site that reflects me, that provides useful information to my viewers and maybe make a little money. I have no intention of stealing content or tricking people into clicking my ads. Having said that, I have competitors and I am beginning to pass them in the SE rankings. I am been successful so far because I am working every spare minute I can find to improve and add content.
My question is: Under they system being advocated here, what is to stop my less nimble but more established competition from branding me a “bad” site and have it banded from SE’s, adsense, and even my own computer?
Which one of you would want to stand trail for your site? I’m not saying any of you have done anything wrong. I just asking, who wants to go through the hassle of proving they are not a cheat?
This whole quality issue could become a business strategy. Site X is doing better than me, let’s get him banned…
Good luck, peace out!
They wouldn't really have too many incentives to cut down on the amount of fraud clicks going to there Adwords advertisers through the Adsense content network. As long as there advertisers see a ROI, those fraud clicks wont seem to bother them.
Granted, for the longetivity of PPC and the Adsense program they will need to start cutting down on it more.
Consumers will eventually get smarter.
By they way, why wouldn't you focus your own site to make sure they conform with the TOS. You could also be in violation without your knowing it.
Don't spam Google sending those 30 sites over and over because they might not like it.
Be careful.
[edited by: asianguy at 10:08 am (utc) on May 27, 2005]
your CTR is like 0.003?
people hate snitches
If I see a little old lady being mugged, the minimum I do is to call the police. I don't call that snitching. I call that doing your public duty. We are a better world for it.
I still think we are going down a bad road.
By the way, I think calling the police because of a mugging is a little different that deciding a website does not meet YOUR standards! One is a crime and the other is an opinion…
that's patetic..surfing the net and reporting to google..
that's like..going through the hood, and listening who is having a party, and reporting loud music..
yes, who apointed dantol as a G cop?
let him post hist url, for us to inspect it a little bit..
that's like a goldrush, beating over few $
what did he gained from that? nothing! that's what he gained..
i sure don't want him to inspect my site, insted of helping me, he would 'help' me by reporting to g..
picture that..
If you are showing my adwords ads and I find you are violating TOS I will report you and request all my money back from clicks on your site. Did it to 15 folks yesterday, sorry if you were one of them.
And, yes I've worked on my site and have had google do a recent review. So my site is within TOS (after I changed one little thing :).
i rest my case
what case was that? have you had G review your sites?
I'll be the judge of that
Go work on your english.
At one time, I was of this opinion also. However, I've now come to the conclusion that these kind of sites are what accounts for poor payouts or payouts that aren't as large as they should be or could have been.
I know people who advertise through google and who have told me that they turned the content network off because the results were so poor. Well, it's the ripoff sites that make that so and make all of us earn less.
talkin = talking
in case you didn't understand, 15 year old webmaster 1000 visitors a day wanna b
or is it a month?
hahahah
u just make me LOL
nothin more
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In adition to this post, I must mention that word "nothin" is equal to the word "nothing"
Note that I only look at sites that are displaying my Adwords ads. If I see a sudden pulse of clicks from some place I have never heard of before I will check them out. If they are scrapers/spammers/TOS violators I'll ad them to my negative site list in Adwords... but I only get 25 slots and have used them all. So only thing left to do is report the truely bad ones that are likely clicking on their own ads (my ads) too.
Or are saying 'Please Click our sponsors Ads to support our site'. These clickers tend to not convert very well.
2PA, Never with Nothing is called a double negative. So what ever you think you said you weren't doing you are really saying you were doing :)
